[NetBehaviour] a little hit collaboration

[Ken Turner]

well I'm at a loss really, because in painting what you describe as 
deleting happens also. I see that you want to make public your 
processes which also happens in live art, and in the end there is no 
product, or is it true because documentation is so apparent today as 
product and netart is also a product.
The difference from the  hand or virtual is very real. The results so 
far in your residency, which I applaud for your courage, do in fact 
produce something very trivial and at times something almost important 
visually. Art is something that should change our lives but of course 
it depends where you are in terms of the experiential.
maybe you could explain the philosophy behind netart because it seems 
ruled in the most part by the software whereas painting has no bounds

very best wishes

ken.

ps. by the way what does psychological existence is massaged by the 
opinion of others, also media coverage and mis-remembering mean? and, 
well I do care.

On 13 Jul 2005, at 17:26, rich white wrote:

> just because i want to know how you feel doesn't mean that i care;-]
>
> in my work there has been a long and steadily growing fixation with 
> removing things, deleting things, censoring and blacking out. i like 
> how you
> can draw attention to something merely by leaving a space where it 
> used to be. i feel that this process has a lot to do with our 
> perception of
> art, and things in general, that we see as important or valuable (not 
> just in the monetary sense). our memories of things are often more 
> real
> to us than their reality, and through this an artwork can assume 
> incredible status as it's psychological existance is massaged by the 
> opinions of
> others, media coverage and our own mis-remembering.
>
> http://www.counterwork.co.uk
> 07812444612
>
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 04:46 , Michael Szpakowski <szpako at yahoo.com> sent:
>
>>
>>
>> of the project? do
>> you feel like you have collaborated, or merely been
>> included?>
>> I don't think you should worry too much about how *we
>> feel* - I mean,we're all grown ups & its an
>> interesting little collab - and anyone who thinks that
>> an artistic collab that's worthwhile can be entirely
>> and simplemindedly egalitarian should get out more..of
>> course one sometimes struggles for more control in a
>> collab just as one might voluntarily *cede* some
>> control in a collab to see where it goes. Its not
>> politics nor is it life and death.
>> What I do find interesting is the dynamic of the
>> structure you've set up - as a participant it does
>> feel quite strange.. firstly the thing gives the
>> participant stimulus and licence to make something (
>> and I was quite sparked here -I spent a fun two hours
>> in the real world with paint and glue and things..)and
>> thus far there is the same sense of delight in making
>> that comes with exquisite corpse type projects.. but
>> then your "cutting back", editing, role in the
>> project, which has an almost combative feel, comes
>> into play -its as if you are firefighting the
>> increasingly varied stratagems for asserting their
>> individual creativity that contributors come up with.
>> Then, its as if we examine each new contribution from
>> you for its *absences* and somehow as if the art of
>> your residency inheres to a great extent in the act of
>> deletion , of omission..
>> ( Who was it who did the rubbing out exercise on a
>> drawing... Can't immediately call them to mind.)
>> What's also interesting is that there is than in turn,
>> a counter tendency set up amongst participants to
>> work, the "perversity" factor where we wilfully
>> stretch your criteria or where there is a very strong
>> individual, almost "fuck you" ( in the nicest possible
>> sense, natch) feel to folk's pieces -something I
>> detect in annie and marc's jpegs today and joseph's
>> wine glass job of a couple of days back...
>> So, far from being simplistic or banale, I think there
>> is much real nourishment here, as indeed there has
>> been with the previous residencies. Long may they
>> continue.
>> michael
>>
>>
>> http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/
>>
>> 'Everything is connected.' - V.I.Lenin
>>
>> '..and always let your unconscious be your guide.' - J.Cricket
>>
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