[NetBehaviour] State of new media from strawberry fields forever -

Lewis LaCook llacook at yahoo.com
Mon Jul 18 15:22:46 CEST 2005


---i am absolutely comfortable with it all just
disappearing...that's the nature of existence...the
clouds pass by....


bliss
l




--- rich white <rich at counterwork.co.uk> wrote:

> so when the internet explodes/implodes net artists
> will stop making?
> didn't we make stuff using other things before the
> internet?
> we'll probably find new things to use, won't we?
> probably get bored of the internet before then?
> and no artwork lasts for ever, no artwork is
> absolute, whether it be made of stone, piant,
> plastic or zeros and ones.
> what persists is our memory of it.
> (yes, i know, this is fallible too, but that's half
> the fun.)
> 
> oh, and cheer up alan, it can't be as bad as all
> that can it?
> 
> rich
> 
> On Mon, 
18 Jul 2005 10:39 , Ken Turner
> <ken at sqallp.freeserve.co.uk> sent:
> 
> >Alan,
> >What you're saying is, shall we say partly true and
> well said.
> >What anyone says is normally partly true.
> >but is truth the question?
> >Nietzsche was perhaps only partly true concerning
> nihilism and the 
> >abyss.
> >But what is there after the abyss?
> >My understanding is that art is not what appears on
> the surface, its 
> >physical optical form  is not a representation of
> art.
> >It is more than that. That sounds like a cliche,
> but read on.
> >And of course both philosophy and art do not, in
> themselves, move on.
> >—they only repeat the impossibility of being able
> to express what it is 
> >to be human.
> >But in trying there is some achievement 'in depth'
> whether in Rembrandt 
> >or Cezanne, Kandinsky or Brecht or Beckett, to name
> a few.
> >Something in this relates to our indentity and
> place.
> >To paraphrase Merleau Ponty,  three dimensions only
> make sense when all 
> >three are rolled into the one of 'depth'.
> >Hermes Trismegistus said it is the "inarticulate
> cry".
> >ken
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 18 Jul 2005, at 04:18, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> State of new media from strawberry fields forever
> -
> >>
> >> The work I'm doing isn't much different from the
> work you're doing.
> >> It will disappear when the net goes down or when
> it's no longer tended.
> >> Nobody tends things forever.
> >> It's amazingly ephemeral; there's nothing to it;
> it's stillborn, passed
> >> in email or on a website, that's all.
> >> It's not as if we're contributing to the
> well-being of humanity; the
> >> idea that art makes any sort of social or
> political difference is long
> >> outmoded, repeatedly proven wrong.
> >> We're not even making paintings which have a
> modicum of a chance of
> >> survival, 'being as how' they're concrete, inert,
> almost idiotic things
> >> (in the sense of Rosset or Sartre).
> >> Certainly we haven't made any contribution to
> physical theory or the
> >> sciences in general, and our work is rarely
> entertaining.
> >> At our performances and readings, only the rest
> of us show up.
> >> The 'culture' such as it is, follows mass media,
> corporate distribution
> >> systems, subtended radicalities; the best one
> hopes for is museum
> >> sponsorship.
> >> We've saved no one's lives through our art - turn
> the machine off, and
> >> we're pretty much done for.
> >> We engage in outmoded theories, bouncing one
> theorist off another, as 
> >> if
> >> any of it mattered in the universe at large.
> >> We work through fast-forward intellectual
> fashions, situations in which
> >> phenomenology, existentialism, postmodernism,
> deconstruction, and so 
> >> forth
> >> - name your 'movement,' name your theorist - are
> considered outmoded, 
> >> as
> >> if philosophy had advanced since Heraclitus.
> >> We ignore scientific theory, or borrow from it,
> on a simplistic or 
> >> meta-
> >> phoric level, as a form of legitimation, as if
> we're somehow connected
> >> with scientific 'advances.'
> >> We confuse science with technology, substituting
> cleverness for any 
> >> real
> >> disciplinary understanding, in fields ranging
> from psychoanalysis 
> >> through
> >> physics.
> >> Our theoretical work is written as if it somehow
> matters, somehow says
> >> something about the world, which we hardly
> understand.
> >> We substitute cultural politics for political
> action and depth; we 
> >> ignore
> >> war or illustrate it.
> >> We entertain ourselves endlessly, as if our work
> had nothing to do with
> >> entertainment (some might call us failed
> comedians, novelists, what 
> >> have
> >> you, substituting surface transformations for
> that hypothetical depth 
> >> that
> >> seems to infest the canon).
> >> I am guilty of all of the above.
> >> We go on and on and on...
> >>
> >>
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