[NetBehaviour] beta test webflaneur.net

clemos cl3mos at gmail.com
Tue Jul 11 11:00:35 CEST 2006

hi jilt

thank you very much for the feedback.

your links are very interresting indeed.
I've been very interrested in semantic search engines, and data mining
in general since I made my very first text generator

yet, to me, the "webflaneur" is something that has to be as simple as
possible. it's meant to be "neutral" in its trip, and that's why it
only uses a random algorithm and only the url entered by the user.
nothing more.
we thought about something like doing queries to google on the
beginning (the user would enter a keyword in place of the url, and the
flaneur would begin its trip from the "I feel lucky" returned page),
but it was already "too much" to us.
"the flaneur is the one who sees the things just like they really
are": I think that in a web context, he shouldn't investigate this
space with complicated tools, rather only "be" on the web, the
simplest possible way, and just "contemplate" it, passively...
I mean : the simpler "wandering method" you use, the deeper you
contemplate (like : wandering randomly is simpler than wandering with
a map, or following paths, or searching something in particular, and
it's probably more meaningful...)

thanks again for the comments.
I still hope to hear more from you all before I go on holidays and
annie returns...


On 7/8/06, jilt at debord.ortiche.net <jilt at debord.ortiche.net> wrote:
> > hi netbehaviourists
> >
> > annie abrahams and I have been working on a new project called
> > "webflaneur".
> > it's a web work, a kind of "browser inside the browser" made to
> > "wander" on the web:
> >
> > you enter an url, and the webflaneur goes there, then picks a random
> > link and finally navigates out to another page, on and on until it
> > doesn't find any more links to visit.
> > it's a kind of tool which allows one to watch the web passively, kind
> > of like you watch TV as you can zap from site to site, and do nothing
> > more than it.
> I think yours is a good idea
> the idea of flenur is very important to investigate new netowrkin behaviours
> also in particular kinds of behaviours growing up with new tecnology kind
> of perception.
> You've done very well!
> > you can also wander randomly like you do in real life, following no
> > precise path, just walking:
> > it's meant to be a contemplative experience through which you discover
> > the web differently.
> > also, at any time you can generate a "mashup", which is a collection
> > of random stuff, links, images, videos, sound, taken on the way, like
> > a "diary" of your trip.
> I think you are able to investigate in a more conceptual way what a flaneur
> is.. in particular using a tool just like the one that you've been creating
> and the Walter Benjamin definition of "flaneur" like "the one who's been
> seeing things just like they really are".
> > and, of course, we would be happy to hear your thoughts, feedback,
> > comments about that, and to discuss of this work itself.
> >
> In my opinion a tool like the one that I see in your url sould use a
> semantic search engine.
> Some article that can explain you the concept:
> http://www.seochat.com/c/a/Search-Engine-Optimization-Help/Search-Engines-and-Algorithms-Semantic-Search/
> http://www.semantic-knowledge.com/zoom.htm
> To give you some example I think you could use an open source semantic
> search engine just like "EMM news explorer"; if you want to find your
> right kind of semantic search engine, just take a look to this url, that
> explains you also about EMM:
> http://www.opensourcesearch.org/wiki/index.php/Newish_Search_and_Networking_Engines
> For taking a look to my work with "flaneur" concept (I'm sorry but
> writings are in italian):
> http://debord.ortiche.net/flaneur_hs.avi
> good luck
> jilt
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