[NetBehaviour] Painting is hard

Ken Turner ken at sqallp.freeserve.co.uk
Thu Sep 21 14:56:24 CEST 2006

HI marc and james,

I find it hard not to paint, though it is extremely difficult to be in 
a position of having something to say: and this is what I see in marc's 
drawings - that they have something to say.
I have yet to find an equivalent in net art to the best in painting, 
but perhaps this is because I don't know where to look or I'm just not 
attuned to online stuff. Maybe this is because I have a strong belief 
in the tactile sensibility of the bodily functions. And this is not to 
say that I have not seen  poetic expression on the net

I do work on flash for my website and find it fascinating and use the 
computer for video and working things out in painting. And it's very 
rewarding to be able to switch off the computer and work in the studio 
and then to close the door and come back to the computer as a sort of 
necessary balance of a working process: a kind of interweaving of 


On Sep 21, 2006, at 13:14, <james at jwm-art.net> wrote:

> Hi Marc,
> I've not been ignoring your message, just taken me a while to come up
> with a reply.  Had a quick look at your drawings, some are very
> surrealist inspired by the looks of things, having similiarities to the
> work of Francis Picabia.  I've drawn quite a few images like that of
> human/object constructions, but not always had the guts to show them!
> (online atleast, not exhibited any of my work at all.)
> I did not see what you'd written as being quite into rant territory.
> I might write something more later, after the weekend, about my
> thoughts/questions on net[worked] art/creativity and where maybe
> painting may come into it.
> James.
> On 19/9/2006, "info" <info at furtherfield.org> wrote:
>> Hi James,
>> Well - I think that we can enjoy creating in other mediums as well as
>> net art.
>> A while back, I created a web site of sketches consisting of work from
>> 1986 to 1990...
>> even the web site now seems from another era.
>> tomorrow's insecurity
>> "sketch pads created by marc garrett during 86-90."
>> These images, notes, poems & rants are all from a 4 year period of my
>> life, 1986 to 1990. This was a crucial stage for learning. It comes 
>> from
>> a philosophical place & questions life, Art, Insanity, Security,
>> Institutions & many other things. They are from sketch books & note 
>> pads
>> that I have always carried around with me. On this site there are
>> numerous thoughts & images, questioning situations, events, personal &
>> political etc...
>> http://www.furtherfield.org/mgarrett/tomorrows_insecurities/index.htm
>> I wonder if anyone else on here has stuff that they can show (links 
>> to)
>> before they explored net art, or related creativity? Hell, we could 
>> have
>> an online exhibition of web art by net artists before they suddenly
>> turned....
>> marc
>>> Painting is hard
>>> ----------------
>>> Painting is hard, that is, it don't make me a hard man just cos I 
>>> paint.
>>> It's difficult, especially when you're not as good as you think you
>>> should be, to be an ARtist. Especially when you insist upon pursuing
>>> some vision of a personal abstract visual language arising through
>>> randomness, perhaps even the sub-con-shush. Especially when you spend
>>> hours mixing up colours, getting all excited when you discover a
>>> beautiful vibrant grey can be made by mixing a rather expensive 
>>> cobalt
>>> blue with a somewhat cheaper raw umbre, and the disappointment of it
>>> hits you when you mix in the emulsion and find it's rather boring 
>>> gray
>>> after all.
>>> Painting is hard when you've no idea of what to paint, but what the 
>>> hell
>>> has any of this to do with net art?
>>> http://www.jwm-art.net/art/audio/painting_is_hard.mp3
>>> <end>
>>> Painting _is Hard
>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>> Painting is difficult I mean. It's tricky working it out, what like 
>>> am I
>>> going to paint next? When you've no idea and could be thought of as
>>> stubburn, atleast you think you could be thought of as stubburn, but
>>> have no idea what others really think, if they think at all about 
>>> what
>>> you do, if what you do has any consequences within their thinking, 
>>> you
>>> could be thought of as stubburn for inisting upon the pursuit of the
>>> construction of a personal abstract visual language when you don't 
>>> have
>>> any notion of what it shall actually communicate. You could be 
>>> thought
>>> of as stubburn, nay foolish, for doing so. By your refusual to make
>>> paintings which are purely for selling, because doing so lacks any
>>> interest to you, and your interest lacks in painting because you 
>>> don't
>>> know what to paint, you are. It is at times like these that
>>> http://www.jwm-art.net/art/audio/painting_is_hard.mp3
>>> <end>
>>> Painting^ is ^hard
>>> `='`='`='`='`='`='
>>> Painting is hard when you are scared of it. You're scared of messing 
>>> up
>>> what you've already painted, even when you imagine it looks like a 
>>> mess
>>> to everyone else anyway. You're scared of the unknown, and painting 
>>> can
>>> be an exploration into the unknown when you can paint nothing else 
>>> but
>>> your own instincts of what to paint. It's scary when you paint
>>> something and later look at it, knowing full well you'll put it on 
>>> the
>>> internet for all to see, and all you see is a beacon for crazies to 
>>> come
>>> after you. A beacon for demons from outer space to come eat up your
>>> consciousness and take over your body. Oh! Hang on, that was just a
>>> fancy, it weren't real, thank GOD.
>>> Yes, it's tricky indeed this painting lark. Here is an mp3 of some
>>> electronic music I made, all by myself, during these times when I 
>>> feel
>>> painting is hard. It is for your listening pleasure, the sounds are
>>> lovely phat synths, and some slightly muffled drums. There's a little
>>> cutting up of the drum sequences, and of course, the favourite of all
>>> amateur electronica music makers, the reverb. The reverb is on 
>>> everthing
>>> I do, because my mind is full of reverb, nnmnmnmnmnm.
>>> http://www.jwm-art.net/art/audio/painting_is_hard.mp3
>>> Don't forget, painting is hard, especially when you've got no clue.
>>> "but what the hell has any of this to do with net art?"
>>> I'm probably misplaced on this list, only being a pretend net-artist,
>>> but I like what is posted here, and feel inclined from time to time 
>>> to
>>> post this or that :)
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