[NetBehaviour] exile !

_ b _ mediaidea at arkania.org
Fri Apr 27 15:36:04 CEST 2007 

i would better not ask you about those spanish net artists... as i'm 
very confortable here, in this netbehaviour exile...




marc escribió:
> a quick rewrite/or add on...
>
> Yes I am definately aware of them. I do not know them personally, 
> although some of my friends do.
>
> One of the reasons that we started furtherfield in 97 was because we 
> wanted to propose an alternative for interested net artists and web 
> artists, who may wish for a different kind of Internet culture or art 
> experience, exploring beyond the controlling elements that seemed to 
> be suffocating many of us who were 'not' interested in the tiresome 
> tactic of mirroring the more traditional fine art traditions.
>
> marc
>
>> Hi ___ b ___,
>>
>> >i don't know if you know about the considered net artists in 
>> spain... it's so funny, so ridiculous...
>>
>> Yes I am definately aware of them. One of the reasons that we started 
>> furtherfield in 97 was because we wanted to propose an alternative 
>> for interested net artists and web artists, who were more interested 
>> in a kind of Internet culture or art experience that at least could 
>> in spirit go beyond the controlling elements that seemed to be 
>> suffocating many of us who were interested in the modernist tactic of 
>> being a smug, elitist via self-serving actions, mirroring the more 
>> traditional behaviours of fine art traditions. To us, even though 
>> some of the activist tactics were interesting in their own right, but 
>> fell short in respect of the (obvious) intentions and felt less 
>> critical because the goals and desires behind them were desperate. We 
>> wanted to pursue a less macho direction and open things up a bit more 
>> to those who may not actually be seen as net artists themselves, I 
>> think that we still maintain this mixture of networked, Internet art 
>> and net art, with other connected genres, moving in for different 
>> creative practices that may mtually, rest on the edge of art.
>>
>> >but far away the net, doesn't happen the same in all arts?
>>
>> Ah yes - you are definately right, it does...
>>
>> For me, net art is important but changing the materiality of art and 
>> its culture is also equally worth exploring.
>>
>> marc
>>
>>> marc, i don't know if you know about the considered net artists in 
>>> spain... it's so funny, so ridiculous...
>>>
>>> but far away the net, doesn't happen the same in all arts?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> about heroic periods in the net... that's a long conversation, 
>>> because it has change a lot in 10 years. (it has change so much that 
>>> i'm sort-of-hidden-here... protecting myself from the outside net...)
>>>
>>> i don't know if new users joining the net now would apreciate 
>>> harvey's anatomy, for instances... or mez's language.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> marc escribió:
>>>
>>>> I know where you are coming from...
>>>>
>>>> I have been arguing against the conolisation of net art by just a 
>>>> few 'net.artists' for years.
>>>>
>>>> I have also been against this notion of a 'heroic period', a myth 
>>>> designed by those who used the (.) in net art (net.art), their 
>>>> greed for popularity was only for the few.
>>>>
>>>> For me it was a depressing experience, especially when a couple of 
>>>> my personal friends who I had been creating projects with in 96 
>>>> started building for high profiles via certain academics and 
>>>> exploiting my own energies for their own fame. Getting known is not 
>>>> the issue here though, it is more that many other net artists at 
>>>> that time were not supported and were left out of the picture 
>>>> (deliberately) by a small group - in order to claim a trophy in the 
>>>> history books, whilst isolating their firends and peers 
>>>> systematically.
>>>>
>>>> I feel that the net.art gang (not net art) actually brought about 
>>>> the decline of net art generally, by creating mythologies that it 
>>>> was 'they' alone who were worth being considered by institutions 
>>>> certain academics. A devious strategy which in vision was myopic 
>>>> and bared no thought for the growth of net art as a whole. We also 
>>>> should remember that these individuals also tried to say that net 
>>>> art was dead in 1999. This decline or tactical shift was around the 
>>>> same time of the dot.com crash. Which, of course was not true in 
>>>> reality, to those thousands of others who were just getting on with 
>>>> it making anyway. This helped to make more solid (the mythology) 
>>>> regarding their own positoning in the history books, and for 
>>>> creating a more accessible place for themselves in galleries and 
>>>> for selling their works. It was tactical and of course about 
>>>> individuals rather then the culture as a whole...
>>>>
>>>> Many have used the term 'net.art', to represent their own genre or 
>>>> practice as opposed to 'net art', yet were not actively or directly 
>>>> part of the 'net.art heroic period mythlogy'. They were just around 
>>>> doing interesting excellent stuff at the same time - so today it is 
>>>> really tough for those who had their own histories distorted also 
>>>> by the few.
>>>>
>>>> So, its complicated - especially for those who are confused about 
>>>> net art history anyway. I feel that we need to move on from 
>>>> dwelling about a few misguided individuals, and spend more of 
>>>> energies in concentrating on those who really deserve our respect 
>>>> and support - which of course, is each other.
>>>>
>>>> Times are changing and history is and will be re-evalauted, 
>>>> thankfully - and such hegemonies will be contested as part of a 
>>>> much larger movement. Because people like myself (and hopefully 
>>>> others) who were also doing net art stuff at that time will offer 
>>>> alternative experiences relating to net art history.
>>>>
>>>> I have forgiven my 'net.art' friends in the UK, every now and then 
>>>> I work with them on some projects. One has to let things go after a 
>>>> while because such resentment can also distort one's own 
>>>> perspectives and then create their own mythologies...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> marc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i don't agree, jimpunk doesn't remember me jodi,
>>>>
>>>> in the last video works, reminds me to the great nam june paik.
>>>>
>>>> i hate jodi, in fact, i just can't stand him... him and some others...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> in net art, i "hate" more people who is acting as net-artist and 
>>>> esqueezing the concept in order to be named that... because it's so 
>>>> cool to be named netartist... that doesn't make the point. i would 
>>>> write here more names, but what for? i just don't want them to be 
>>>> in me, so i forgot the names...
>>>>
>>>> i can't hate: it would give to the people i dislike a sort of power 
>>>> from me, and i just want to give myself to people i like, like jim 
>>>> or some artists of this list + auriea, always, of course...
>>>>
>>>> maybe there are lots of net-art histories, written by every one of 
>>>> us...
>>>>
>>>> my net-art history began with hell collective.
>>>>
>>>> i would be cruel with jodi in this mail, but it doesn't make point 
>>>> either...
>>>>
>>>> jimpunk video works remember me in some way to nam june paik's 
>>>> experiments,
>>>>
>>>> and i feel very sorry for 
>>>> That-People-Who-Is-Well-Positioned-In-Net-Art-World, and try to 
>>>> make us think that what they write is specially important to 
>>>> current net art situation, making their living out of it like 
>>>> parasites...
>>>>
>>>> ajj
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Art Gallery of Knoxville escribió:
>>>>
>>>> > http://theartgalleryofknoxville.com/logo-w-jimpunk.gif
>>>> >  EXHIBITION OF ART
>>>> >  B Y JIMPUNK !   >  MAY 1 - 26
>>>> > http://theartgalleryofknoxville.com/jimpunk3.gif
>>>> > http://theartgalleryofknoxville.com/jimpunk4.gif
>>>> >
>>>> > May 1 - 26 The Art Gallery of Knoxville is excited to
>>>> > present the work of artist jimpunk.
>>>> >  > http://www.jimpunk.com/
>>>> >  >  OPENING FRIDAY MAY 4 - 6 - 11pm  >
>>>> > jimpunk is a French artist - working as a "net activist"
>>>> > broadcasting content online and around the world.
>>>> > This exhibition will present an installation centered
>>>> > around the net/video work of DVblogH4ck:
>>>> >  > http://dvblogh4ck.blogspot.com/
>>>> >
>>>> > http://theartgalleryofknoxville.com/jimpunk1.gif
>>>> >  > The work will be on view in the Gallery May 1 - 26,
>>>> > Friday and Saturday (3-8pm).  Please join us for the
>>>> > opening party Friday May 4.
>>>> >  > jimpunk has participated in various international new media 
>>>> festivals, including Rhizome Artbase 101 for New Museum of 
>>>> Contemporary Art, runme.org festival, European Media Art Festival, 
>>>> break21_6th International Festival of Young Emerging Artists, 
>>>> FILE-2002 electronic language international festival, Impakt 
>>>> Festival 2002, machida museum art on the net 2002. Winner of the 
>>>> CYNETart_award 2004 -Trans-Media-Akademie Hellerau in 2004.
>>>> >  > His work may be found in the 2004 book "Internet Art" by 
>>>> Rachel Greene, published by Thames & Hudson.
>>>> >
>>>> > for more information on jimpunk:
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.jimpunk.com/info/jimpunk_bio.txt
>>>> >     >  > The image
>>>> >
>>>> > "jimpunk, is a talented and elegant artist who capitalises
>>>> > on the Rococo potentialities of HTML, JavaScript and Flash
>>>> > to create sites of infinite variability, detail and unending
>>>> > surprise. His works have been perfectly described by
>>>> > Tricia Fragnito as 'a web version of a roller coaster ride:
>>>> > scary and fun and at the end you want to go again.' "
>>>> >  > "In true networked style, jimpunk often works collaboratively
>>>> > across geographical space, and produces sites which
>>>> > exploit the unique experience of net browsing. He
>>>> > embraces the pixel and what some would call "bad web
>>>> > design" using web safe colour, pop up and flashing graphics
>>>> > in works like www.-reverse.-flash-.-.back-; and in one of my
>>>> > favourites the now offline www.nowar.nogame.org . Although
>>>> > his breed of network art may have had an early Jodi-esque
>>>> > influence, we can see from the intimate and poetic musing
>>>> > of 1n-0ut [meditation], it has grown up to be distinctively
>>>> > 'jimpunk.' "
>>>> >  > Melinda Rackham,2005-04-25
>>>> > Posted to http://rhizome.org/thread.rhiz?thread=17114&page=1
>>>> >
>>>> > *********************
>>>> > UPCOMING
>>>> >  > photography project with migrant farmworker youth
>>>> > and local 4-H children in rural TN
>>>> >
>>>> > playing three miles of wall along the Arizona/Sonora
>>>> > border as an electro-acoustic instrument
>>>> >
>>>> > Curated by Jane Crowe
>>>> > *********************
>>>> > The Art Gallery of Knoxville
>>>> > 317 N Gay St.
>>>> > Knoxville, TN 37917
>>>> > TEL: +1 978 857 0474
>>>> > www.theartgalleryofknoxville.com
>>>> >
>>>> >
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