[NetBehaviour] erhu & Comments on Alan Sondheim's postings on this list...
Geert Dekkers
geert at nznl.com
Sun Jan 7 20:53:57 CET 2007
Perhaps. But as you might know, I included Alan in "Digital Bodies",
a show I did with Antoinette Reuten in her gallery in Amsterdam. I
had some trouble convincing her Alan was really "doing art" (I spend
most of my days wondering what that means). So I do see a consumerist
stance as a real obstacle to the appreciation of art. People tend to
want a finished product, and Alan jsut isn't giving this kind of thing.
Geert
On 7-jan-2007, at 19:52, marc wrote:
> Hi Geert,
>
> >Really?
>
> I think that perhaps there those who are more interested in
> collecting specific information & promoting their projects, rather
> the other noise that happens on lists. I think that our list is
> actually pretty mellow really...
>
> >Alan might make art, but we will never know
>
> I remember Heath Bunting stuck some text on a billboard about 15
> yearsa go now saying 'most art means nothing to most people'...
>
> marc
>
>
>> Really?
>>
>> Anyway, I was just reconsidering a line
>>
>>>> - Alan might make art, but we will never know
>>>
>>
>> at first I wrote
>>
>> Alan might NOT make art, but we will never know
>>
>> I think that's better
>>
>>
>> Geert
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/01/2007, at 6:35 PM, marc wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Geert,
>>>
>>> >(Incidentally, I'm quite amazed that leon at c6.org
>>> <mailto:leon at c6.org>'s little bout of indigestion lead to a
>>> thread this size)
>>>
>>> Well, he must of been affected in some way because he has
>>> unsubscribed now.
>>>
>>>
>>> marc
>>>
>>>
>>>> I would like to add this:
>>>>
>>>> - Alan might make art, but we will never know
>>>> - Alans work isn't a series of "works"
>>>> - Alan makes raw materials, not consumer items
>>>> - We are smart enough to put it all together again
>>>>
>>>> (Incidentally, I'm quite amazed that leon at c6.org
>>>> <mailto:leon at c6.org>'s little bout of indigestion lead to a
>>>> thread this size)
>>>>
>>>> Geert Dekkers---------------------------
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/01/2007, at 4:12 PM, marc wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Comments on Alan Sondheim's postings on this list...
>>>>>
>>>>> I perceive Alan's post-works, as an going work in 'process',
>>>>> expounding the very nature of process itself, as a continualy
>>>>> networked , creative act of mutated-consciousness, in a
>>>>> literal form. It involves the material itself to be
>>>>> distributed, when visiting various lists as part of a
>>>>> performative operation, this is part of its context. Viewing
>>>>> the function and behaviour of how the work is solicited can
>>>>> also bring about a closer understanding of what the work is
>>>>> doing, in essence, as we receive it daily.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its value as art, or even an act of creativity rests in
>>>>> appreciating that some of the work is like semiotic code,
>>>>> using the language of tools, sofware and the computer, to
>>>>> build the content, mixed with more traditional wordings
>>>>> alongside other peices of texts. His work is noise, not non-
>>>>> thinking noise but a noise that expounds, or translates the
>>>>> result of Alan's poetic imagination, melding with code. It is
>>>>> not trying to communicate as a linear message would do, or as
>>>>> a singular art object like an image. It is exploiting the
>>>>> channels of communication, leaking into these platforms like a
>>>>> virus would, yet directed by his consciousness.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, Alan's behaviour in releasing his material around the
>>>>> Internet, could be considered as acting much like a parasite.
>>>>> I do not mean this in a negative way, but more that 'this is
>>>>> what is done', it becomes, or is part of the meaning of the
>>>>> work itself - the function is component of its larger meaning,
>>>>> if there is such a thing as meaning. The intention of his
>>>>> actions, also becomes part of the work which we may not be so
>>>>> clear about which is probably what causes the most troubles,
>>>>> when people ask questions - like why is there so much of it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan and the Internet cannot be split. His work spans its
>>>>> history, and as much as it has dominated his psyche, he has
>>>>> also dominated the Internet's psyche; and perhaps also
>>>>> infiltrated our own minds just by being here or there, as we
>>>>> tour many of the lists ourselves. We are part of the work,
>>>>> whether we be passively or engaged with it, it is now part of
>>>>> our online presence with us, like a virus, hacking into the
>>>>> listserv, structures and sub- structures, and into our own
>>>>> contexts. We become segments of the structures that he sets
>>>>> his work up to infiltrate.
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes it a little more confusing is that we know that
>>>>> Alan harbours real emotions, ideas and also gets involved in
>>>>> discourse regarding various subject matters on lists as well
>>>>> as distributing his work on them at the same time. But, he
>>>>> speaks differently from his posts/conversations because that
>>>>> is dialogue, and this should be acknowledged. I do not feel
>>>>> that Alan is trying to impose any type of mesaage to dominate
>>>>> us, or even try and impose a claiming of territory. Much of
>>>>> his work just is, it is being, it is there and bleeds into
>>>>> its surroundings like steam into a room.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am definately not sure if Alan would agree with any of this,
>>>>> but if he is not going to respond and discuss about his work,
>>>>> it is not a problem. Because going through the motions of
>>>>> exploring these texts and their purposes etc, has been
>>>>> rewarding itself and opened different possibilities, and
>>>>> nuances, and also helps one to understand or at least
>>>>> appreciate (a little) work by other artists such as MEZ and
>>>>> FLorian Cramer.
>>>>>
>>>>> marc :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------
>>>>> (c)human interaction in a broad sense of any cultural
>>>>> appropriation and use: in 1968, in his book Algol, Noël Arnaud
>>>>> made a first attempt at using a programming language as
>>>>> material for poetic compositions. Later on, the hacker slang
>>>>> “leet”, Alan Sondheim’s “Codework” and Marie Anne Breeze’s
>>>>> “Mezangelle” all apply code as a material that can be
>>>>> recomposed to create a particular form of written language
>>>>> that is recognised as “computer talk”, imitating command lines
>>>>> but readable as some sort of English. In the same way as James
>>>>> Joyce experienced with language in “Finnegan’s Wake”, these
>>>>> new forms of writing create their own semantics and a meta-
>>>>> language with social and cultural implications. On the other
>>>>> hand, the work of George Pérec, Jodi, the I/O/D group,
>>>>> Netochka Nezvanova or Adrian Ward’s Auto- Illustrator introduce
>>>>> what Cramer defines as “software dystopia”, the reflection on
>>>>> software not as a subservient, domesticated assistant but as a
>>>>> fearful, obscure and incomprehensible golem that may revolt
>>>>> against us at any time or take its own decisions. Under this
>>>>> light, software becomes much more than just a tool, it is part
>>>>> of a broader concept of culture.
>>>>> Pau Waelder - Words Made Flesh (2005) - Florian Cramer. http://
>>>>> www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?
>>>>> From=Index&review_id=167 <http://www.furtherfield.org/
>>>>> displayreview.php? From=Index&review_id=167>
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