[NetBehaviour] Fwd: Re: Fwd: BLACKLE

Wed Jul 25 13:22:49 CEST 2007

I am skeptical of NGOs too in the sense that we are not critical
enough on what they actually do, we just accept everything they say,
it has become a kind of religion. Even the Pope is fallible although
he claims of the contrary. As you said NGOs are a big business and
when money touches something then that something usually starts to go
wrong. Having said that NGOs have done and do a lot of good too, we
cannot deny that but we need to keep vigilant and keep them on check
as we do (or should do) with other Public bodies or corporations.

In a sense your personal experience confirms that. It was not a lie as
such but it wasn't the all truth either, let's call it
'misinformation'. That's grave coming from a NGO that is funded by
public money (our money) and donations by the general public (our
money again). The least we can demand from them is HONESTY. How can we
make right or informed choices on anything if we don't know the facts,
the all truth?

I presume you still know the numbers about water consumption in Spain
(probably similar to any other developed nation) and the scientific
sources where the data comes from. If this is the case then give us
that numbers, publish them here, let us know the truth, inform as many
people as you can, blog them everywhere, start a campaign.

G

PS: great and intelligent? Thanks but not as anyone else. We are all
great and intelligent! We just forget that we are or believe wrongly
that we are not.

On 25/07/07, b xperimënts <mediaidea at arkania.org> wrote:
> graziano, you are great... just great.
>
> thank you by heart.
>
> the designer and me were not as intelligent.
>
> well, i was fired by the bloody ngo because i discovered the president
> was playing with public money... so...
>
> let's make also a big campaign against ngo, they are making the business
> of the century !!!
>
>
> i mean it, graziano, the idea is great and i'm sorry that i'm not in a
> good ngo -i don't know which one- to do it.
>
> do you know some?
>
> i sent my cv to greenpeace, but...
>
>
> ... i keep waiting, i probably will go to dublin to find a good job.
> spain stinks.
>
>
> i don't feel guilty because it was not a lie, we give the numbers right,
> we don't give ALL the numbers... just some of them, as most people do.
>
> ... but still i agree we weren't as intelligent as you.
>
> gracie,
>
>
> Graziano Milano escribió:
> > Is it not people who play golf? Are they not consumers? Why not target
> > your campaign to the golf enthusiasts? Make them aware that golf lands
> > in Spain are a big problem for water consumption, they probably don't
> > know that. For example: How many glasses of water does it take per
> > year to water all the golf land in Spain? Would they give up their
> > domestic water for the sake of keeping the golf land going? What about
> > the companies that sponsor International golf events or famous golf
> > players? I bet that some Mineral Water company or brand does that.
> > What about the famous golf players themselves. Do Tiger Woods and his
> > pals know that their professional activities have a negative impact on
> > the planet. Are they prepared to do something about it? After all they
> > are millionaires and have an image to maintain, Tiger Woods is also
> > (or mainly) a brand?
> >
> > I agree you should not feel guilty, but a lie is always a lie, does
> > not really matter where it comes from. You (and your NGO) are in a
> > position to change that, be brave.
> >
> > G
> >
> >
> > On 25/07/07, b xperimënts <mediaidea at arkania.org> wrote:
> >> well, it goes interesting...
> >>
> >> :)
> >>
> >> i worked for an ngo, they made a campaign about the uses of water... and
> >> the designer and me discovered
> >> that
> >> the water that people uses is just the 20% of all the water consumption
> >>
> >> (sorry for my clumsy english again, ops)
> >>
> >> and industry, land, animals -cows, pigs...- and golf lands (?) consume
> >> the 80%
> >>
> >> so
> >>
> >> my friend and me didn't know if give that information to the people like...
> >>
> >> "it is not you, little consumer, who must save water: it must be golf
> >> land (in spain it is the first prize water consumer), industry and land"
> >>
> >> but
> >>
> >> we couldn't say that to the people, so we make the stuff with the usual
> >> stuff given to the people... -you have the fault of everything!!!-
> >>
> >>
> >> well, i don't feel guilty anymore for the lie, or the information
> >> manipulation, or for hidding information, i write here what we
> >> discovered, what the states knows perfectly...
> >>
> >>
> >> maybe with the energy matter is the same. who has got he real
> >> porcentage, the eficiency in the report, in the study...
> >>
> >>
> >> BUT
> >>
> >> this is not an excuse...
> >>
> >>
> >> we all try to do the <i>right</i> thing.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> colours
> >>
> >>
> >> kisses,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Helen Varley Jamieson escribió:
> >>> phew, looks like we can all save our eyes & make no difference to the
> >>> planet as long as we're using lcd screens : )
> >>>
> >>>> i've read around a little about energy consumption, screens and colour.
> >>>>
> >>>> contrary to my superstitions it looks like LCD's shouldn't actually be
> >>>> considered in the equation after all. this really only applies to CRT
> >>>> displays.
> >>>>
> >>>> LCD's have a back-light that is continuously on. a 'black' pixel is
> >>>> merely just a crystal turned such that it blocks light from the
> >>>> backlight. for this reason it should make no difference whether a pixel
> >>>> is black or white.
> >>>>
> >>>> some people are reporting small reductions in power useage on LCD
> >>>> displays but most notice no change.
> >>>>
> >>>> i thought that there might be some sort of load calibration done as a
> >>>> result of whether a crystal blocks light or let's it through but apparently
> >>>> that is a design for LCD's not yet in the market.
> >>>>
> >>>> to summarise:
> >>>>
> >>>>   if you're using a CRT you shouldn't be.
> >>>>
> >>>>   LCD users can dress in white.
> >>>>
> >>>> some links:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://ecoiron.blogspot.com/2007/01/black-google-would-save-3000-megawatts.html
> >>>>
> >>>>   http://www.risingphoenixdesign.com/blackback.html
> >>>>
> >>>> julian
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> http://julianoliver.com
> >>>> http://selectparks.net
> >>>> emails containing HTML will not be read.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ..on or around Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 09:51:26AM +1000, Helen Varley
> >>>> Jamieson said:
> >>>>>  >>Folks,
> >>>>>  >>
> >>>>>  >>We probably all use google several times a day - here's something
> >>>>>  >>to consider:
> >>>>>  >>
> >>>>>  >>When your screen is white, be it an empty word page, or the Google
> >>>>>  >>page, your computer consumes 74 watts, and when its black it
> >>>>>  >>consumes only 59 watts. An article about the energy saving that
> >>>>>  >>would be achieved if Google had a black screen, taking into account
> >>>>>  >>the huge number of page views, worked out at a saving of 750 mega
> >>>>>  >>watts/hour per year.
> >>>>>  >>
> >>>>>  >>In a response to this article Google created a black version of its
> >>>>>  >>search engine, called Blackle, with the exact same functions as the
> >>>>>  >>white version, but with a lower energy consumption, check it out:
> >>>>>  >>
> >>>>>  >>http://www.blackle.com
> >>>>>  >
> >>>>>  >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  --
> >>>>>  ____________________________________________________________
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst
> >>>>>  helen at creative-catalyst.com
> >>>>>  http://www.creative-catalyst.com
> >>>>>  http://www.avatarbodycollision.org
> >>>>>  http://www.upstage.org.nz
> >>>>>  http://www.writerfind.com/hjamieson.htm
> >>>>>  ____________________________________________________________
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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