[NetBehaviour] Fwd: Re: Fwd: BLACKLE

Wed Jul 25 13:54:43 CEST 2007

well,

i was fired by the ngo, so

i went to a woman association "a international cooperation professionals 
and social intervention" to defend my rights

and

i was fired by them too, women said to me to give back my money to be 
far from them because i just wrote to them that women still are 
"disorganized bugs"; i told that with all the tender, to make a jump and 
to begin to join ourselves. and what was their answer?
stay far from us!

i can't do it by myself...
alone, in spain, i'm just a crazy woman.

rigth now there is a strong economic crisis in spain because of the too 
much building houses affair... and...

i have the information too, what can i do?

right i need a job, i have to sell all the stuff stuffed in my house for 
4 years, i'm moving to dublin to make my living, i have a child to grow, 
and my way to be a journalist doesn't like the companies, even female 
associations, at least in spain. don't you think that's great ! ?

thanks for your words,

we keep in touch through this amazing netbehaviour...

Graziano Milano escribió:
> I am skeptical of NGOs too in the sense that we are not critical
> enough on what they actually do, we just accept everything they say,
> it has become a kind of religion. Even the Pope is fallible although
> he claims of the contrary. As you said NGOs are a big business and
> when money touches something then that something usually starts to go
> wrong. Having said that NGOs have done and do a lot of good too, we
> cannot deny that but we need to keep vigilant and keep them on check
> as we do (or should do) with other Public bodies or corporations.
> 
> In a sense your personal experience confirms that. It was not a lie as
> such but it wasn't the all truth either, let's call it
> 'misinformation'. That's grave coming from a NGO that is funded by
> public money (our money) and donations by the general public (our
> money again). The least we can demand from them is HONESTY. How can we
> make right or informed choices on anything if we don't know the facts,
> the all truth?
> 
> I presume you still know the numbers about water consumption in Spain
> (probably similar to any other developed nation) and the scientific
> sources where the data comes from. If this is the case then give us
> that numbers, publish them here, let us know the truth, inform as many
> people as you can, blog them everywhere, start a campaign.
> 
> G
> 
> PS: great and intelligent? Thanks but not as anyone else. We are all
> great and intelligent! We just forget that we are or believe wrongly
> that we are not.
> 
> 
> 
> On 25/07/07, b xperimënts <mediaidea at arkania.org> wrote:
>> graziano, you are great... just great.
>>
>> thank you by heart.
>>
>> the designer and me were not as intelligent.
>>
>> well, i was fired by the bloody ngo because i discovered the president
>> was playing with public money... so...
>>
>> let's make also a big campaign against ngo, they are making the business
>> of the century !!!
>>
>>
>> i mean it, graziano, the idea is great and i'm sorry that i'm not in a
>> good ngo -i don't know which one- to do it.
>>
>> do you know some?
>>
>> i sent my cv to greenpeace, but...
>>
>>
>> ... i keep waiting, i probably will go to dublin to find a good job.
>> spain stinks.
>>
>>
>> i don't feel guilty because it was not a lie, we give the numbers right,
>> we don't give ALL the numbers... just some of them, as most people do.
>>
>> ... but still i agree we weren't as intelligent as you.
>>
>> gracie,
>>
>>
>> Graziano Milano escribió:
>>> Is it not people who play golf? Are they not consumers? Why not target
>>> your campaign to the golf enthusiasts? Make them aware that golf lands
>>> in Spain are a big problem for water consumption, they probably don't
>>> know that. For example: How many glasses of water does it take per
>>> year to water all the golf land in Spain? Would they give up their
>>> domestic water for the sake of keeping the golf land going? What about
>>> the companies that sponsor International golf events or famous golf
>>> players? I bet that some Mineral Water company or brand does that.
>>> What about the famous golf players themselves. Do Tiger Woods and his
>>> pals know that their professional activities have a negative impact on
>>> the planet. Are they prepared to do something about it? After all they
>>> are millionaires and have an image to maintain, Tiger Woods is also
>>> (or mainly) a brand?
>>>
>>> I agree you should not feel guilty, but a lie is always a lie, does
>>> not really matter where it comes from. You (and your NGO) are in a
>>> position to change that, be brave.
>>>
>>> G
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25/07/07, b xperimënts <mediaidea at arkania.org> wrote:
>>>> well, it goes interesting...
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> i worked for an ngo, they made a campaign about the uses of water... and
>>>> the designer and me discovered
>>>> that
>>>> the water that people uses is just the 20% of all the water consumption
>>>>
>>>> (sorry for my clumsy english again, ops)
>>>>
>>>> and industry, land, animals -cows, pigs...- and golf lands (?) consume
>>>> the 80%
>>>>
>>>> so
>>>>
>>>> my friend and me didn't know if give that information to the people like...
>>>>
>>>> "it is not you, little consumer, who must save water: it must be golf
>>>> land (in spain it is the first prize water consumer), industry and land"
>>>>
>>>> but
>>>>
>>>> we couldn't say that to the people, so we make the stuff with the usual
>>>> stuff given to the people... -you have the fault of everything!!!-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> well, i don't feel guilty anymore for the lie, or the information
>>>> manipulation, or for hidding information, i write here what we
>>>> discovered, what the states knows perfectly...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> maybe with the energy matter is the same. who has got he real
>>>> porcentage, the eficiency in the report, in the study...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BUT
>>>>
>>>> this is not an excuse...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> we all try to do the <i>right</i> thing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> colours
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> kisses,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Helen Varley Jamieson escribió:
>>>>> phew, looks like we can all save our eyes & make no difference to the
>>>>> planet as long as we're using lcd screens : )
>>>>>
>>>>>> i've read around a little about energy consumption, screens and colour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> contrary to my superstitions it looks like LCD's shouldn't actually be
>>>>>> considered in the equation after all. this really only applies to CRT
>>>>>> displays.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LCD's have a back-light that is continuously on. a 'black' pixel is
>>>>>> merely just a crystal turned such that it blocks light from the
>>>>>> backlight. for this reason it should make no difference whether a pixel
>>>>>> is black or white.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> some people are reporting small reductions in power useage on LCD
>>>>>> displays but most notice no change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i thought that there might be some sort of load calibration done as a
>>>>>> result of whether a crystal blocks light or let's it through but apparently
>>>>>> that is a design for LCD's not yet in the market.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to summarise:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   if you're using a CRT you shouldn't be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   LCD users can dress in white.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> some links:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://ecoiron.blogspot.com/2007/01/black-google-would-save-3000-megawatts.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   http://www.risingphoenixdesign.com/blackback.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> julian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ..on or around Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 09:51:26AM +1000, Helen Varley
>>>>>> Jamieson said:
>>>>>>>  >>Folks,
>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>  >>We probably all use google several times a day - here's something
>>>>>>>  >>to consider:
>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>  >>When your screen is white, be it an empty word page, or the Google
>>>>>>>  >>page, your computer consumes 74 watts, and when its black it
>>>>>>>  >>consumes only 59 watts. An article about the energy saving that
>>>>>>>  >>would be achieved if Google had a black screen, taking into account
>>>>>>>  >>the huge number of page views, worked out at a saving of 750 mega
>>>>>>>  >>watts/hour per year.
>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>  >>In a response to this article Google created a black version of its
>>>>>>>  >>search engine, called Blackle, with the exact same functions as the
>>>>>>>  >>white version, but with a lower energy consumption, check it out:
>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>  >>http://www.blackle.com
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>>  ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>
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