[NetBehaviour] Fwd: Re: Fwd: BLACKLE

Wed Jul 25 14:21:45 CEST 2007

Sorry to hear about your troubles. I hope everything goes well for you
and your kid in Dublin.

G

On 25/07/07, b xperimënts <mediaidea at arkania.org> wrote:
> well,
>
> i was fired by the ngo, so
>
> i went to a woman association "a international cooperation professionals
> and social intervention" to defend my rights
>
> and
>
> i was fired by them too, women said to me to give back my money to be
> far from them because i just wrote to them that women still are
> "disorganized bugs"; i told that with all the tender, to make a jump and
> to begin to join ourselves. and what was their answer?
> stay far from us!
>
> i can't do it by myself...
> alone, in spain, i'm just a crazy woman.
>
> rigth now there is a strong economic crisis in spain because of the too
> much building houses affair... and...
>
> i have the information too, what can i do?
>
> right i need a job, i have to sell all the stuff stuffed in my house for
> 4 years, i'm moving to dublin to make my living, i have a child to grow,
> and my way to be a journalist doesn't like the companies, even female
> associations, at least in spain. don't you think that's great ! ?
>
>
> thanks for your words,
>
> we keep in touch through this amazing netbehaviour...
>
>
>
>
> Graziano Milano escribió:
> > I am skeptical of NGOs too in the sense that we are not critical
> > enough on what they actually do, we just accept everything they say,
> > it has become a kind of religion. Even the Pope is fallible although
> > he claims of the contrary. As you said NGOs are a big business and
> > when money touches something then that something usually starts to go
> > wrong. Having said that NGOs have done and do a lot of good too, we
> > cannot deny that but we need to keep vigilant and keep them on check
> > as we do (or should do) with other Public bodies or corporations.
> >
> > In a sense your personal experience confirms that. It was not a lie as
> > such but it wasn't the all truth either, let's call it
> > 'misinformation'. That's grave coming from a NGO that is funded by
> > public money (our money) and donations by the general public (our
> > money again). The least we can demand from them is HONESTY. How can we
> > make right or informed choices on anything if we don't know the facts,
> > the all truth?
> >
> > I presume you still know the numbers about water consumption in Spain
> > (probably similar to any other developed nation) and the scientific
> > sources where the data comes from. If this is the case then give us
> > that numbers, publish them here, let us know the truth, inform as many
> > people as you can, blog them everywhere, start a campaign.
> >
> > G
> >
> > PS: great and intelligent? Thanks but not as anyone else. We are all
> > great and intelligent! We just forget that we are or believe wrongly
> > that we are not.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 25/07/07, b xperimënts <mediaidea at arkania.org> wrote:
> >> graziano, you are great... just great.
> >>
> >> thank you by heart.
> >>
> >> the designer and me were not as intelligent.
> >>
> >> well, i was fired by the bloody ngo because i discovered the president
> >> was playing with public money... so...
> >>
> >> let's make also a big campaign against ngo, they are making the business
> >> of the century !!!
> >>
> >>
> >> i mean it, graziano, the idea is great and i'm sorry that i'm not in a
> >> good ngo -i don't know which one- to do it.
> >>
> >> do you know some?
> >>
> >> i sent my cv to greenpeace, but...
> >>
> >>
> >> ... i keep waiting, i probably will go to dublin to find a good job.
> >> spain stinks.
> >>
> >>
> >> i don't feel guilty because it was not a lie, we give the numbers right,
> >> we don't give ALL the numbers... just some of them, as most people do.
> >>
> >> ... but still i agree we weren't as intelligent as you.
> >>
> >> gracie,
> >>
> >>
> >> Graziano Milano escribió:
> >>> Is it not people who play golf? Are they not consumers? Why not target
> >>> your campaign to the golf enthusiasts? Make them aware that golf lands
> >>> in Spain are a big problem for water consumption, they probably don't
> >>> know that. For example: How many glasses of water does it take per
> >>> year to water all the golf land in Spain? Would they give up their
> >>> domestic water for the sake of keeping the golf land going? What about
> >>> the companies that sponsor International golf events or famous golf
> >>> players? I bet that some Mineral Water company or brand does that.
> >>> What about the famous golf players themselves. Do Tiger Woods and his
> >>> pals know that their professional activities have a negative impact on
> >>> the planet. Are they prepared to do something about it? After all they
> >>> are millionaires and have an image to maintain, Tiger Woods is also
> >>> (or mainly) a brand?
> >>>
> >>> I agree you should not feel guilty, but a lie is always a lie, does
> >>> not really matter where it comes from. You (and your NGO) are in a
> >>> position to change that, be brave.
> >>>
> >>> G
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 25/07/07, b xperimënts <mediaidea at arkania.org> wrote:
> >>>> well, it goes interesting...
> >>>>
> >>>> :)
> >>>>
> >>>> i worked for an ngo, they made a campaign about the uses of water... and
> >>>> the designer and me discovered
> >>>> that
> >>>> the water that people uses is just the 20% of all the water consumption
> >>>>
> >>>> (sorry for my clumsy english again, ops)
> >>>>
> >>>> and industry, land, animals -cows, pigs...- and golf lands (?) consume
> >>>> the 80%
> >>>>
> >>>> so
> >>>>
> >>>> my friend and me didn't know if give that information to the people like...
> >>>>
> >>>> "it is not you, little consumer, who must save water: it must be golf
> >>>> land (in spain it is the first prize water consumer), industry and land"
> >>>>
> >>>> but
> >>>>
> >>>> we couldn't say that to the people, so we make the stuff with the usual
> >>>> stuff given to the people... -you have the fault of everything!!!-
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> well, i don't feel guilty anymore for the lie, or the information
> >>>> manipulation, or for hidding information, i write here what we
> >>>> discovered, what the states knows perfectly...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> maybe with the energy matter is the same. who has got he real
> >>>> porcentage, the eficiency in the report, in the study...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> BUT
> >>>>
> >>>> this is not an excuse...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> we all try to do the <i>right</i> thing.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> colours
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> kisses,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Helen Varley Jamieson escribió:
> >>>>> phew, looks like we can all save our eyes & make no difference to the
> >>>>> planet as long as we're using lcd screens : )
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> i've read around a little about energy consumption, screens and colour.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> contrary to my superstitions it looks like LCD's shouldn't actually be
> >>>>>> considered in the equation after all. this really only applies to CRT
> >>>>>> displays.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> LCD's have a back-light that is continuously on. a 'black' pixel is
> >>>>>> merely just a crystal turned such that it blocks light from the
> >>>>>> backlight. for this reason it should make no difference whether a pixel
> >>>>>> is black or white.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> some people are reporting small reductions in power useage on LCD
> >>>>>> displays but most notice no change.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> i thought that there might be some sort of load calibration done as a
> >>>>>> result of whether a crystal blocks light or let's it through but apparently
> >>>>>> that is a design for LCD's not yet in the market.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> to summarise:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   if you're using a CRT you shouldn't be.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   LCD users can dress in white.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> some links:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://ecoiron.blogspot.com/2007/01/black-google-would-save-3000-megawatts.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   http://www.risingphoenixdesign.com/blackback.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> julian
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> http://julianoliver.com
> >>>>>> http://selectparks.net
> >>>>>> emails containing HTML will not be read.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ..on or around Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 09:51:26AM +1000, Helen Varley
> >>>>>> Jamieson said:
> >>>>>>>  >>Folks,
> >>>>>>>  >>
> >>>>>>>  >>We probably all use google several times a day - here's something
> >>>>>>>  >>to consider:
> >>>>>>>  >>
> >>>>>>>  >>When your screen is white, be it an empty word page, or the Google
> >>>>>>>  >>page, your computer consumes 74 watts, and when its black it
> >>>>>>>  >>consumes only 59 watts. An article about the energy saving that
> >>>>>>>  >>would be achieved if Google had a black screen, taking into account
> >>>>>>>  >>the huge number of page views, worked out at a saving of 750 mega
> >>>>>>>  >>watts/hour per year.
> >>>>>>>  >>
> >>>>>>>  >>In a response to this article Google created a black version of its
> >>>>>>>  >>search engine, called Blackle, with the exact same functions as the
> >>>>>>>  >>white version, but with a lower energy consumption, check it out:
> >>>>>>>  >>
> >>>>>>>  >>http://www.blackle.com
> >>>>>>>  >
> >>>>>>>  >
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  --
> >>>>>>>  ____________________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst
> >>>>>>>  helen at creative-catalyst.com
> >>>>>>>  http://www.creative-catalyst.com
> >>>>>>>  http://www.avatarbodycollision.org
> >>>>>>>  http://www.upstage.org.nz
> >>>>>>>  http://www.writerfind.com/hjamieson.htm
> >>>>>>>  ____________________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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