[NetBehaviour] Fwd: Re: Fwd: BLACKLE

Wed Jul 25 14:41:21 CEST 2007

that's called inmigration...

lot of people do it.

my kid stays in spain, i will send the money, as before the wars...

as old spain used to do... and has forgotten it.

it will be ok and we will netbehave fruitfully,

;)

Graziano Milano escribió:
> Sorry to hear about your troubles. I hope everything goes well for you
> and your kid in Dublin.
> 
> G
> 
> 
> On 25/07/07, b xperimënts <mediaidea at arkania.org> wrote:
>> well,
>>
>> i was fired by the ngo, so
>>
>> i went to a woman association "a international cooperation professionals
>> and social intervention" to defend my rights
>>
>> and
>>
>> i was fired by them too, women said to me to give back my money to be
>> far from them because i just wrote to them that women still are
>> "disorganized bugs"; i told that with all the tender, to make a jump and
>> to begin to join ourselves. and what was their answer?
>> stay far from us!
>>
>> i can't do it by myself...
>> alone, in spain, i'm just a crazy woman.
>>
>> rigth now there is a strong economic crisis in spain because of the too
>> much building houses affair... and...
>>
>> i have the information too, what can i do?
>>
>> right i need a job, i have to sell all the stuff stuffed in my house for
>> 4 years, i'm moving to dublin to make my living, i have a child to grow,
>> and my way to be a journalist doesn't like the companies, even female
>> associations, at least in spain. don't you think that's great ! ?
>>
>>
>> thanks for your words,
>>
>> we keep in touch through this amazing netbehaviour...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Graziano Milano escribió:
>>> I am skeptical of NGOs too in the sense that we are not critical
>>> enough on what they actually do, we just accept everything they say,
>>> it has become a kind of religion. Even the Pope is fallible although
>>> he claims of the contrary. As you said NGOs are a big business and
>>> when money touches something then that something usually starts to go
>>> wrong. Having said that NGOs have done and do a lot of good too, we
>>> cannot deny that but we need to keep vigilant and keep them on check
>>> as we do (or should do) with other Public bodies or corporations.
>>>
>>> In a sense your personal experience confirms that. It was not a lie as
>>> such but it wasn't the all truth either, let's call it
>>> 'misinformation'. That's grave coming from a NGO that is funded by
>>> public money (our money) and donations by the general public (our
>>> money again). The least we can demand from them is HONESTY. How can we
>>> make right or informed choices on anything if we don't know the facts,
>>> the all truth?
>>>
>>> I presume you still know the numbers about water consumption in Spain
>>> (probably similar to any other developed nation) and the scientific
>>> sources where the data comes from. If this is the case then give us
>>> that numbers, publish them here, let us know the truth, inform as many
>>> people as you can, blog them everywhere, start a campaign.
>>>
>>> G
>>>
>>> PS: great and intelligent? Thanks but not as anyone else. We are all
>>> great and intelligent! We just forget that we are or believe wrongly
>>> that we are not.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25/07/07, b xperimënts <mediaidea at arkania.org> wrote:
>>>> graziano, you are great... just great.
>>>>
>>>> thank you by heart.
>>>>
>>>> the designer and me were not as intelligent.
>>>>
>>>> well, i was fired by the bloody ngo because i discovered the president
>>>> was playing with public money... so...
>>>>
>>>> let's make also a big campaign against ngo, they are making the business
>>>> of the century !!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i mean it, graziano, the idea is great and i'm sorry that i'm not in a
>>>> good ngo -i don't know which one- to do it.
>>>>
>>>> do you know some?
>>>>
>>>> i sent my cv to greenpeace, but...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ... i keep waiting, i probably will go to dublin to find a good job.
>>>> spain stinks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i don't feel guilty because it was not a lie, we give the numbers right,
>>>> we don't give ALL the numbers... just some of them, as most people do.
>>>>
>>>> ... but still i agree we weren't as intelligent as you.
>>>>
>>>> gracie,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Graziano Milano escribió:
>>>>> Is it not people who play golf? Are they not consumers? Why not target
>>>>> your campaign to the golf enthusiasts? Make them aware that golf lands
>>>>> in Spain are a big problem for water consumption, they probably don't
>>>>> know that. For example: How many glasses of water does it take per
>>>>> year to water all the golf land in Spain? Would they give up their
>>>>> domestic water for the sake of keeping the golf land going? What about
>>>>> the companies that sponsor International golf events or famous golf
>>>>> players? I bet that some Mineral Water company or brand does that.
>>>>> What about the famous golf players themselves. Do Tiger Woods and his
>>>>> pals know that their professional activities have a negative impact on
>>>>> the planet. Are they prepared to do something about it? After all they
>>>>> are millionaires and have an image to maintain, Tiger Woods is also
>>>>> (or mainly) a brand?
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree you should not feel guilty, but a lie is always a lie, does
>>>>> not really matter where it comes from. You (and your NGO) are in a
>>>>> position to change that, be brave.
>>>>>
>>>>> G
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25/07/07, b xperimënts <mediaidea at arkania.org> wrote:
>>>>>> well, it goes interesting...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i worked for an ngo, they made a campaign about the uses of water... and
>>>>>> the designer and me discovered
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the water that people uses is just the 20% of all the water consumption
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (sorry for my clumsy english again, ops)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and industry, land, animals -cows, pigs...- and golf lands (?) consume
>>>>>> the 80%
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so
>>>>>>
>>>>>> my friend and me didn't know if give that information to the people like...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "it is not you, little consumer, who must save water: it must be golf
>>>>>> land (in spain it is the first prize water consumer), industry and land"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we couldn't say that to the people, so we make the stuff with the usual
>>>>>> stuff given to the people... -you have the fault of everything!!!-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> well, i don't feel guilty anymore for the lie, or the information
>>>>>> manipulation, or for hidding information, i write here what we
>>>>>> discovered, what the states knows perfectly...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> maybe with the energy matter is the same. who has got he real
>>>>>> porcentage, the eficiency in the report, in the study...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BUT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this is not an excuse...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we all try to do the <i>right</i> thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> colours
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kisses,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Helen Varley Jamieson escribió:
>>>>>>> phew, looks like we can all save our eyes & make no difference to the
>>>>>>> planet as long as we're using lcd screens : )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i've read around a little about energy consumption, screens and colour.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> contrary to my superstitions it looks like LCD's shouldn't actually be
>>>>>>>> considered in the equation after all. this really only applies to CRT
>>>>>>>> displays.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LCD's have a back-light that is continuously on. a 'black' pixel is
>>>>>>>> merely just a crystal turned such that it blocks light from the
>>>>>>>> backlight. for this reason it should make no difference whether a pixel
>>>>>>>> is black or white.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> some people are reporting small reductions in power useage on LCD
>>>>>>>> displays but most notice no change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i thought that there might be some sort of load calibration done as a
>>>>>>>> result of whether a crystal blocks light or let's it through but apparently
>>>>>>>> that is a design for LCD's not yet in the market.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to summarise:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   if you're using a CRT you shouldn't be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   LCD users can dress in white.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> some links:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://ecoiron.blogspot.com/2007/01/black-google-would-save-3000-megawatts.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   http://www.risingphoenixdesign.com/blackback.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> julian
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ..on or around Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 09:51:26AM +1000, Helen Varley
>>>>>>>> Jamieson said:
>>>>>>>>>  >>Folks,
>>>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>>>  >>We probably all use google several times a day - here's something
>>>>>>>>>  >>to consider:
>>>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>>>  >>When your screen is white, be it an empty word page, or the Google
>>>>>>>>>  >>page, your computer consumes 74 watts, and when its black it
>>>>>>>>>  >>consumes only 59 watts. An article about the energy saving that
>>>>>>>>>  >>would be achieved if Google had a black screen, taking into account
>>>>>>>>>  >>the huge number of page views, worked out at a saving of 750 mega
>>>>>>>>>  >>watts/hour per year.
>>>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>>>  >>In a response to this article Google created a black version of its
>>>>>>>>>  >>search engine, called Blackle, with the exact same functions as the
>>>>>>>>>  >>white version, but with a lower energy consumption, check it out:
>>>>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>>>  >>http://www.blackle.com
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>>>>  ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst
>>>>>>>>>  helen at creative-catalyst.com
>>>>>>>>>  http://www.creative-catalyst.com
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