[NetBehaviour] Internet art, net art, and networked art in relation.

[marc garrett]

Hi James and Helen,

 >{ "Internet Art" == warm, "Media Art" == cold }

Lol - believe me, I understand where you are coming from in respect of 
having labels out there defining one's own practice. It can be a pain in 
the neck, although if you are an artist who wants to explore beyond 
traditional fine art structures and not be pulled into the more accepted 
histories of fine art that works via a top-down hierarchy that is based 
on supporting the few; it can be handy to redefine one's own practice 
separate from such socially constructed behaviours.

The term 'media art' has been used to cover a whole rang of digital art 
related practices and approaches which also includes Internet Art. Most 
people use 'New media art' to define these type of artworks, usually 
academics so to reflect contemporary uses of various technologies.

My own personal take on this, is that I prefer 'Media Art' rather than 
'New Media Art', although I appreciate why others would include the word 
'new', due to artists and makers exploiting contemporary technologies 
and philosophies which reflect the constant, dynamic and ever changing 
present, with art, technology and culture. Because this type of art is 
always being upgrading itself or moving alongside new technologies to 
explore new forms of practice, it is always aligned to a constant state 
of being 'new', by default.

Yet, the downside of always having to be constantly 'new' in regard to 
one's own involvement with technology is, that there is possibly, too 
much weight, reliance and emphasis on the 'new'. And if an art culture 
becomes dependent on expecting artists to justify their creative 
existence or practice via only using the latest technology alone, the 
issue of conformity arrives that is most probably less intuitive, 
inventive or creatively productive in the long run.

Getting back to the term 'new Media', it is now considered that video is 
seen as 'old media'. Although things are never that simple, because when 
video becomes Internet Art or a networked entity in its own right, 
strange things happen, which are quite exciting.

One of the sad things that concerns me in regard to 'New Media Art', is 
that you get big organisations yelling from the top of their hills, that 
what they are showing is the most radical from of art and all that 
bullshit. A good example is, that when I went to Ars Electronica last 
year and viewed their main exhibition, it was obvious in the extreme 
that they got their socks off on how clever the use of technology was 
rather than the art. So, (I have said this somewhere else recently) we 
end up experiencing some kind of macho show room of a kind of media art, 
but more a BMW showroom, which is vapid, shallow and empty, and only 
serves to support the creative industries above whatever art one is 
exploring. This is bad for everyone.

to certain technologies dictating their movements in regard to what they 
create, which also means that you get various big organisations like Ars 
Electronica showing art that only has contmporary use of technology, 
which then pushes forward the pattern of following the route of always 
being technology determined.

then they really will not get what some have said is '

the downside of people expecting new technology to justify the existence 
of an artwork becomes more about being technologically determined, 
rather actually seeing what the work itself is communicating.

on the idea and 'term' of always relying on something being new is, that 
we do not hang around long enough to understand or appreciate the art 
itself and are caught on a perpetual conveyor belt of letting technology 
define our art rather than our ideas, content and context...

The problem that many are having is that New Media means post- video, as 
in video in the singular sense. Although now we have machinima and 
machinima art, that videos people's activities in networked games, or 
hacked games.

marc



Hi marc, (and anyone else who might wish to express an opinion (((and
care bear reading mine ;))) )

i've read your interview, and cory arcangel's and am just curious to
ask this:

which term do you prefer?

?? Media Art ?? Internet Art ??

personally i feel negative toward "Media Art". it takes me back to when
i wanted only to be a painter and the other things i do
(audio+programming/etc) i considered entirely seperate (or atleast: not
art).

infact i can't seem to shake the feeling of negativity toward "Media
Art". and it reminds me of when i used to get all upset that "Modern
Painters" showed stuff like video art :D

so i like the term internet art. to me it is more inclusive, it's in a
similar orbit with open source etc.

{ "Internet Art" == warm, "Media Art" == cold }

regards,
james.

--------smap-------
and the numbed yards will go back undercover.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Wheel+tracks+entrench+themselves+in+snow,+yet+painted+Against+this+sky+no+longer+of+our+world



On 20/2/2008, "marc garrett" <marc.garrett at furtherfield.org> wrote:

 > >Internet art, net art, and networked art in relation.
 > >
 > >Conversations and interviews with curators, artists and directors by
 > >Karen Annemie Verschooren.
 > >
 > >ISABELLE ARVERS
 > >MARC GARRET
 > >BENJAMIN WEIL
 > >CHARLIE GERE
 > >CHRISTIANE PAUL
 > >CORY ARCANGEL
 > >JEMIMA RELLIE
 > >SARA TUCKER
 > >JON IPPOLITO
 > >
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> the problem i have is that "media art" doesn't really mean anything. all
> art forms use one or more media therefore what art isn't "media" art?
>
> h : )
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: james jwm-art net james at jwm-art.net
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:59:28 +0000
> To: netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet art, net art,and networked art in
> relation.
>
>
> Hi marc, (and anyone else who might wish to express an opinion (((and
> care bear reading mine ;))) )
>
> i've read your interview, and cory arcangel's and am just curious to
> ask this:
>
> which term do you prefer?
>
> ?? Media Art ?? Internet Art ??
>
> personally i feel negative toward "Media Art". it takes me back to when
> i wanted only to be a painter and the other things i do
> (audio+programming/etc) i considered entirely seperate (or atleast: not
> art).
>
> infact i can't seem to shake the feeling of negativity toward "Media
> Art". and it reminds me of when i used to get all upset that "Modern
> Painters" showed stuff like video art :D
>
> so i like the term internet art. to me it is more inclusive, it's in a
> similar orbit with open source etc.
>
> { "Internet Art" == warm, "Media Art" == cold }
>
> regards,
> james.
>
> --------smap-------
> and the numbed yards will go back undercover.
>
> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Wheel+tracks+entrench+themselves+in+snow,+y
> et+painted+Against+this+sky+no+longer+of+our+world
>
>
>
> On 20/2/2008, "marc garrett" <marc.garrett at furtherfield.org> wrote:
>
>   
>> Internet art, net art, and networked art in relation.
>>
>> Conversations and interviews with curators, artists and directors by
>> Karen Annemie Verschooren.
>>
>> ISABELLE ARVERS
>> MARC GARRET
>> BENJAMIN WEIL
>> CHARLIE GERE
>> CHRISTIANE PAUL
>> CORY ARCANGEL
>> JEMIMA RELLIE
>> SARA TUCKER
>> JON IPPOLITO
>>
>> http://www.bamart.be/pages/detail/en/1592
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>> NetBehaviour mailing list
>> NetBehaviour at netbehaviour.org
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