[NetBehaviour] Fwd: pulsating emotion organism.

[dave miller]

Thanks for the link to wefeelfine Pall, that's a really nice work.

I agree artists can't list their inspirations for each project, and
often are unaware of what's been done before, and I'm guilty of that.
For example sadly I wasn't aware of wefeelfine, but I feel my work
would have been much more informed if I'd known about it, and I would
definitely have mentioned it within my project. It would have added to
the richness of my work.

I think my issue is with copyright and I misunderstood at first
thinking Markus was copyrighting the idea. I hope I haven't upset
Markus, as I now understand that he has very precisely said that he's
copyrighting the documentation, so he's very clear about this. I'm not
sure why anyone would copyright documentation but I suppose that's a
personal thing. As far as I see, net art and media art thrives on
openness and sharing, so the use of copyright confuses me, and feels
against the spirit of things. Also what if someone does reuse some of
the documentation and doesn't credit him, what's he going to do? It
seems use of copyright at the level of artists is pretty pointless,
unless you're very wealthy. This is my personal view.

dave

2008/7/16 Pall Thayer <pallthay at gmail.com>:
> No no no. That's going to get really hairy really quick. Demanding that all
> artists list their inspirations for every work of art they produce is very
> unrealistic. Inspiration isn't something that's necessarily recorded or even
> something that happens consciously. Also, Markus' site does state very
> clearly that it's the documentation that he's copyrighting. There are a
> number of projects that could have inspired both of yours, the most obvious
> would be (for instance):
>
> http://www.wefeelfine.org
>
>
> Pall
>
> dave miller wrote:
>>
>> Hi Markus
>>
>> I understand - you're not copyrighting the idea. It would help if you
>> made this clear on your site, as it gives the impression that your
>> project is your original idea, and this is what you're copyrighting.
>>
>> I think your idea is very similar to mine from a couple of years back,
>> in my newscartoon project:
>>
>> http://davemiller.org/index.php?nav_item=Gallery&gallery_nav=newscartoon_v2
>>
>> Sorry to sound so picky, but I've nothing against people taking ideas
>> so long as they give credit. And after all this is what you ask for in
>> your CC license.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Dave
>>
>> 2008/7/16 Markus Kison <baisen at gmx.de>:
>>
>>>
>>> This is complety correct the CC licencse is meant for the documentation
>>> material. Thanks Pall!
>>>
>>>
>>> dave miller schrieb:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Pall Thayer <pallthay at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: 2008/7/15
>>>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] pulsating emotion organism.
>>>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>>>> <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If the CC license is meant to apply to the work itself, then it's a
>>>> flawed application of it. The only thing that it can really apply to
>>>> in this case is the documentation of the work. He doesn't give you any
>>>> materials that allow you to "alter, transform or build upon the work"
>>>> which would apply if there was source-code or schematics provided.
>>>> Oh, and then there's the fact that we could both take the time to
>>>> actually read what it says on the website, like the part where he
>>>> states that what's copyrighted are "pictures, text, video"... :-)
>>>> Pall
>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:28 PM, dave miller <dave.miller.uk at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This project reminds me of something I did a couple of years ago:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://davemiller.org/index.php?nav_item=Gallery&gallery_nav=newscartoon_v2
>>>>>
>>>>> This version without a doubt is far nicer and much more refined. In
>>>>> fact I think it looks stunning.  But I think it's essentially it's the
>>>>> same concept - basically - taking  words and phrases from live feeds
>>>>> -blogs - then converting into values and then representing those
>>>>> values. I'm sure I wasn't the first to have tried it either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why the CC copyright, and is it possible to CC something that others
>>>>> have explored beforehand? Under the terms of the CC copyright we are
>>>>> allowed to share and remix the work but we must attribute the work to
>>>>> markus kison. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/
>>>>>
>>>>> markus - from my perspective this doesn't seem fair. You claim the
>>>>> idea for yourself as officially yours and yours alone, then insist
>>>>> that anyone else who's inspired by it must attribute you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2008/7/14 marc garrett <marc.garrett at furtherfield.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> pulsating emotion organism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A fascinating live visualisation of recent emotional expressions
>>>>>> written
>>>>>> on the private weblogs published on blogger.com. emotional expressions
>>>>>> are parsed according to a list of synonyms, which then physically
>>>>>> transform an abstract shape-shifting object.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> textual expressions are assigned to 1 of 8 basic human emotions, which
>>>>>> are represented as a 3D cone consisting of 24 distinct areas. this
>>>>>> abstract diagram forms the basic shape of "pulse", a physical object
>>>>>> that is able to enlarge in 24 different directions. each time a
>>>>>> specific
>>>>>> expressionistic emotion is found in a blog entry written during the
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> minute, the shapeshifting object transforms itself, so that that the
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> physical volume represents a piece of the world's current emotional
>>>>>> condition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> more...
>>>>>> http://www.markuskison.de/pulse/
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