[NetBehaviour] naughty boy

Wed Aug 19 12:06:55 CEST 2009

this is a wide (and wild) problem, but there are also solutions, not 
tested yet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income

may be one day....

++
--y

Simon Biggs a probablement écrit :
>   Hi Alan
> 
> I wasn’t trying to address that argument – just questioning whether 
> education and work ethic are enough to facilitate a meaningful life. 
> Yes, decent health care is important. A degree of financial security 
> highly deslirable.
> 
> The US spends more of its GDP on health care (16%) than any other 
> country in the world and yet is the only OECD country not to have some 
> form of universal care. The outcome of that is that average US life 
> expectancy is lower than the OECD average (even lower than the UK’s – 
> whose NHS costs 8% of GDP and has taken such a battering in the US media 
> recently). What Obama is trying to do with US health care looks way 
> overdue and only sensible. Those arrayed against him look like selfish 
> big business protecting its bottom line at the expense of the people.
> 
> Mind you, everyone admires American teeth ;)
> 
> Best
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> Simon Biggs
> Research Professor
> edinburgh college of art
> s.biggs@ eca .ac.uk
> www. eca .ac.uk
> www. eca .ac.uk/circle/
> 
> simon at littlepig.org.uk
> www.littlepig.org.uk
> AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk
> 
> 
> *From: *Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com>
> *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity 
> <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>
> *Date: *Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:15:26 -0400 (EDT)
> *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity 
> <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>
> *Cc: *Theory and Writing <WRYTING-L at listserv.wvu.edu>
> *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] naughty boy
> 
> 
> 
> It's not instrumentalist; it's more fundamental. If you're crazy with
> stress because of bad health care, little or no income, you just don't
> function well. If you have students, I assume you're full time - my two
> courses at SVA won't even pay the bills (adjuncts get next to nothing). I
> have nightmares over this, migraines, etc. In other words there has to be
> a modicum of feeling you're not going to lose your apartment or your
> teeth, you're going to have some sort of stability somewhere. I don't have
> that - it doesn't sound like 'naughty boy' does either.
> 
> - Alan
> 
> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Simon Biggs wrote:
> 
>>  I always feel guilty seeking to justify to students why they should 
> persist
>>  with completing their degrees, whether BA, MA or PhD – so I don’t. They
>>  often say they want a degree so they can get a decent job and balance that
>>  with their creative practice. They say they see me, with a job and an
>>  artistic career, as a role model. I point out to them I left school at 15
>>  with no qualifications -  to be a hippy. Other than being an artist and
>>  coincidentally securing various positions because of my artistic 
> activities,
>>  including my current one, I have never had what I consider a real job 
> in my
>>  life. I’m just a good for nothing artist – at least in the eyes of the 
> taxi
>>  driver or plumber I often encounter (people with real jobs). It seems that
>>  being good for nothing can be more rewarding than being socially useful.
>>
>>  I find it a worrying that people judge themselves by whether they are
>>  gainfully employed or not. Everyone has something to contribute. We 
> live in
>>  societies, both poor and wealthy, that historically have tolerated
>>  significant percentages of their populations being what, in todays 
> terms, we
>>  would consider economically inactive. However, economic inactivity 
> does not
>>  mean a lack of productivity. There are so many ways that people can
>>  contribute value to themselves and those around them without getting a 
> job.
>>  I never wanted a job anyway!
>>
>>  We should not allow an instrumentalist view of life to become 
> paradigmatic,
>>  especially in creative practice. That is the death of the artist.
>>
>>  Best
>>
>>  Simon
>>
>>
>>  Simon Biggs
>>  Research Professor
>>  edinburgh college of art
>>  s.biggs at eca.ac.uk
>>  www.eca.ac.uk
>>  www.eca.ac.uk/circle/
>>
>>  simon at littlepig.org.uk
>>  www.littlepig.org.uk
>>  AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk
>>
>>
>>
>>  From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com>
>>  Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>>  <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>
>>  Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:25:23 -0400 (EDT)
>>  To: Theory and Writing <WRYTING-L at listserv.wvu.edu>
>>  Cc: <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>
>>  Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] naughty boy
>>
>>  My degree's in english, which has been useless all
>>  these years; Azure's is in environmental conservation from NYU (mine's
>>  from Brown). She hasn't been able to get work; I teach from time to time,
>>  part-time, and the stress is incredible; I think about suicide, running
>>  away with Azure, etc. etc.
>>
>>
>>  Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, 
> number SC009201
>>
>>
>>
> 
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