[NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business <long>

Michael Szpakowski szpako at yahoo.com
Fri Apr 1 11:49:15 CEST 2011

Well, I offered a hypothetical military alternative, which was arming the rebels, more as a rhetorical device than a pratical suggestion because it won't happen, of course, or not in the untramelled form which would enable the rebels to keep their political independence ie without the strings which will enable the West to keep control of the movement.
The history of Western intervention in the region has never been anything but one of ruling class self interest - either for oil, or as a display of the role of world policeman.
The western intervention in Libya will itself shape the nature of the opposition. The figures who rise to the top will not be the authentic representatives of the masses but those who are prepared or able to deal with the Western powers (and of course acceptable to them). If the rebels win under these circumstances they will be beholden to the West. It will make it easier for every Middle Eastern despot to play the anti-imperialist card and smear the revolutionaries when faced with the righteous anger of their own people. This is too great a price to pay, esecially when the evidence is (Yemen, Syria) that the impetus to revolution from below is still unquenched.
If we're serious about supporting the Middle Eastern revolutions then of course we should oppose Western intervention!
--- On Fri, 4/1/11, Pall Thayer <pallthay at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Pall Thayer <pallthay at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business <long>
To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>, "Joel Weishaus" <weishaus at pdx.edu>
Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 12:29 AM

I don't think you can criticize what is going on without offering an alternative.
On Mar 31, 2011 7:23 PM, "Joel Weishaus" <weishaus at pdx.edu> wrote:
> Pall;
> It's really not important for any of us to speculate on what should have been done, as it changes nothing.
> What's important, it seems to me, is to see clearly, not military strategy but who's behind it, and who's to benefit from it.
> Do you think our political leaders care the Libyan People on the same day they're cutting aid to the poor of their own country?
> It's about power, and (mostly) men with deep inferiority complexes who display their feathers in deadly ways. 
> -Joel 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Pall Thayer 
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity 
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:31
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] There's No Business Like War Business <long>
> I am extremely opposed to military intervention. But, all of you who have added to this thread, please tell me what you think should have been done. How should this have been handled?
> On Mar 31, 2011 3:27 PM, "Rob Myers" <rob at robmyers.org> wrote:
> > On 03/31/2011 08:10 PM, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
> >> If the USA, Britain, France&c had been serious about the
> >> emancipation of the Libyan people they would have immediately&
> >> selectively lifted the arms embargo to supply the rebels free of
> >> charge or at preferentialrates with the weaponry needed to finish the job.
> > 
> > http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/16441
> > 
> > "On Wednesday, government officials revealed to Reuters that President 
> > Barack Obama has signed a secret order that authorizes covert U.S. 
> > government support for rebel forces in Libya seeking to oust their 
> > country's leader, Moammar Khadafy.
> > 
> > According to four government sources familiar with the matter, Obama 
> > signed the order within the last two or three weeks"
> > 
> > As will be pointed out in the future, Libya is a sovereign state that 
> > the West is intervening in.
> > 
> > - Rob.
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