[NetBehaviour] Fwd: augmented reality art termed "offensive!" by Transmediale Director

Sun Feb 5 13:11:27 CET 2012

Thanks mez- this is very interesting to me - will have a good look!

thanks, dave

On 4 February 2012 21:18, mez breeze <netwurker at gmail.com> wrote:
> i'm also keen to find out more about Gansig's reasoning for his offensive
> stance?
>
> + i've been running a blog at augmentology.com for years [2008] that has
> both articles + links regarding AR [Augmented Reality].
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 4:00 AM, dave miller <dave.miller.uk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I've put together tons of links (on Delicious) on the subject of
>> augmented reality - might be of interest:
>> http://delicious.com/davemilleruk
>>
>> dave
>>
>> On 4 February 2012 15:41, Mark Hancock <mark.r.hancock at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I'd love to find out more as well, if we can?
>> >
>> > I do love a good open and uncensored public debate about the arts. As
>> > long as it falls within my own aesthetic and cultural paradigms without me
>> > having to open up to the possibility that there are new and emerging art
>> > forms that I might not like.
>> >
>> > Hey, maybe I should apply to run Transmediale next year?
>> >
>> > Love,
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > On 4 Feb 2012, at 15:29, dave miller wrote:
>> >
>> >> thanks helen that's really kind of you
>> >>
>> >> d:}
>> >>
>> >> On 4 February 2012 15:27, helen varley jamieson
>> >> <helen at creative-catalyst.com> wrote:
>> >>> i'm not sure if she's on this list - i'll email her & ask her to
>> >>> respond. :)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 5/02/12 1:23 AM, dave miller wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> i'd love to know more
>> >>>>
>> >>>> d :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 4 February 2012 15:19, helen varley jamieson
>> >>>> <helen at creative-catalyst.com>  wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> it is hard to understand what he could have found offensive - i
>> >>>>> asked
>> >>>>> tamiko&  she said that he didn't say anything substantive; it sounds
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> like he was saying that he finds augmented reality art in general
>> >>>>> offensive, rather than tamiko's work - altho demanding that it be
>> >>>>> taken
>> >>>>> off-screen is a pretty strong response. but it is hard to understand
>> >>>>> how
>> >>>>> a director of a media art festival could label one particular
>> >>>>> artform
>> >>>>> offensive.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> we could ask tamiko to tell us more ...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> h : )
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 4/02/12 10:38 PM, dave miller wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> thanks for this Ruth - I'm working with augmented reality at the
>> >>>>>> minute. As you say it is very difficult technically to get it
>> >>>>>> working,
>> >>>>>> and also difficult (for me at the moment) to find ways use it in my
>> >>>>>> art, to extend what I've been doing. My brain is under pressure!
>> >>>>>> But
>> >>>>>> also, as you say, it's fascinating. I'll have a good look at Tamiko
>> >>>>>> Thiel's work - I'm very interested in how artists are using this
>> >>>>>> medium, and to use it for intervention is especially interesting.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> What did Gansig mean? Why offensive? I'd like to know more about
>> >>>>>> this!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> dave
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 4 February 2012 12:05, ruth catlow<ruth.catlow at furtherfield.org>
>> >>>>>>  wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thought this was an interesting development.  Tamiko Thiel is one
>> >>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> view artists I have encountered who is creating thoughtful and
>> >>>>>>> critical
>> >>>>>>> artworks working with augmented reality. I think this is a
>> >>>>>>> particularly
>> >>>>>>> hard (and fascinating) form to work with. What could Gansig have
>> >>>>>>> meant?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> bests
>> >>>>>>> Ruth
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Please forward to interested parties:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Today at the Transmediale in Berlin, Germany's most important
>> >>>>>>> media art
>> >>>>>>> festival, Transmediale director Kristoffer Gansing censored
>> >>>>>>> augmented
>> >>>>>>> reality artist Tamiko Thiel in a discussion billed as an "open
>> >>>>>>> conversation."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> During the panel discussion "25 years of transmediale / reSource
>> >>>>>>> Activism VIDEOMAKERS UNITE!," Thiel was invited by a panelist to
>> >>>>>>> talk
>> >>>>>>> about "Reign of Gold," her augmented reality artwork for the AR
>> >>>>>>> Occupy
>> >>>>>>> Wall Street project.
>> >>>>>>> http://www.mission-base.com/tamiko/AR/reign-of-gold.html
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Gansing - who was not moderating but sat in the audience -
>> >>>>>>> literally
>> >>>>>>> shut her up, and demanded that her website be taken off the
>> >>>>>>> screen,
>> >>>>>>> saying he finds augmented reality art "offensive!"
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Ironically Gansing themed his festival "in/compatible" and
>> >>>>>>> proclaimed
>> >>>>>>> that it would look at artistic movements that were not compatible
>> >>>>>>> with
>> >>>>>>> the existing order and systems.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Why does Transmediale celebrate yesterday's interventionist art,
>> >>>>>>> but
>> >>>>>>> fear today's interventionist art?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Videomakers Unite!
>> >>>>>>> http://www.transmediale.de/node/20679
>> >>>>>>> An open conversation about video art and net culture, media
>> >>>>>>> collectives
>> >>>>>>> and counter-publics ... Videomakers Unite! takes a critical look
>> >>>>>>> back
>> >>>>>>> at
>> >>>>>>> the 1980s and 90s discourse around video and the net, and relates
>> >>>>>>> this
>> >>>>>>> to the production of present-day counter-cultures within the
>> >>>>>>> fields of
>> >>>>>>> political and artistic, individual and collective practices.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> - Tamiko Thiel
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>   Tamiko Thiel
>> >>>>>>>   Visiting Professor, UdK Berlin, IZM
>> >>>>>>>   (Berlin University of the Arts, Inst. of Time-Based Media)
>> >>>>>>>   Technologies of Non-linear Dramaturgies
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>   Venice Biennial 2011 - Manifest.AR guerrilla AR Infiltration
>> >>>>>>>   http://manifestarblog.wordpress.com/thiel_venice-2011/
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>   Istanbul Biennial 2011 - official collateral exhibit
>> >>>>>>>   http://mission-base.com/tamiko/AR/ii/images.html
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>   Email:   tamiko at alum.mit.edu
>> >>>>>>>   Website: http://www.mission-base.com/tamiko/
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
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