[NetBehaviour] worries about blacklists

Tue Feb 7 17:24:02 CET 2012

It would seem,
that's the separation between Art and life - which is commonly  
understood to be so.
By many people.
Often I thought I might be doing art - then I realised that it was  
more like obsessive practice of mark making (chalking the streets  
with symbols derived from beetles for example).
Creativity takes many forms.
Outsider 'Art' is done for many reasons - not normally to do with  
exhibitions, marketing and money - this stuff is very often more  
interesting than gallery art - or intellectual art.
However it takes all kindsa creativity to make the world swing.

Simon

On 7 Feb 2012, at 15:18, Simon Biggs wrote:

> I can understand why some people don't want to call themselves  
> artists, even when they are. Mike Kelly, a very successful artist,  
> was quoted as saying that if he'd known art was going to become as  
> corporatised as it has he would never have chosen to be an artist  
> (this quote has been viral on Twitter since his recent death). I  
> wonder what he would have chosen to be - or would he have made up  
> something new? This is what we need...
>
> People consider what I do as art and assume I'm an artist. However,  
> like Kelly and James, I became disillusioned with art and the art  
> world a long time ago - not because I've been given a hard time  
> (quite the contrary) but because I am disgusted at what seems to  
> motivate many artists and the people who engage (and run) art  
> professionally. It's become a laundry for dodgy money. Many  
> artists, curators and cultural commentators are happy to join the  
> circus. It is sad.
>
> Due to this I now think of what I do as the "practice once known as  
> art". A programme I run, which is nominally in an art college  
> (although for administrative reasons it is located in an  
> architecture department) intentionally does not have the word art  
> in its title (MSc by Research in Interdisciplinary Creative  
> Practices). This allows us to work in ways that a course in our art  
> department, with the expectation of producing artists to work in  
> the art world, would struggle to consider, bound by a pre- 
> determined framework of creative practice and engagement that is  
> "art" as we now know it. Again, it's sad (hope my colleagues in art  
> aren't reading this) to see students being primed as potential  
> cannon-fodder for the art world.
>
> best
>
> Simon
>
>
> On 7 Feb 2012, at 14:29, isabel brison wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Just wondering why you choose not to call yourself an artist.  
>> Because the random stuff you post looks suspiciously like art to  
>> me...
>>
>> Isabel
>>
>>
>> On 6 February 2012 15:04, James Morris <james at jwm-art.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently noticed that facebook warns people about links to my  
>> website
>> being malicious and surbl.org blacklists my domain name as associated
>> with spam.
>>
>> From what I can tell, some email clients allow filtering of messages
>> based upon these blacklists such as multi.surbl.org or  
>> ws.surbl.org and
>> it is within these lists where my domain is listed in. Spam filters
>> which use these lists scan the message _body_ and if a reference to a
>> blacklisted domain is found then the message is regarded as spam.
>>
>> I'm rather disappointed about this and it's lead me to wonder if  
>> maybe
>> something I've posted here is to blame. I know I've been  
>> argumentative
>> at times and been reactionary to things I dislike but I hope that the
>> actual work I've posted (not so much recent work) over the years has
>> made up for it.
>>
>> The artist career thing for me never took off and academically the
>> degree was as far as I got. Programming has become my focus and  
>> due to
>> that I find little time for anything else.
>>
>> With that in mind I'm left making posts on the occasional inspired
>> impulse. Hence the mobile-shot audio-clips and photographs from while
>> I'm at (factory)work. Or screenshots of software I'm trying to  
>> develop.
>>
>> Seems like I'm producing less and less art. But does it have to be  
>> art
>> to post here? I tend to focus on the "creativity" in the title to  
>> help
>> me justify my posts here. I have a memory (real or imagined) of  
>> when I
>> first subscribed of asked Marc if it was ok and he said 'for now'.
>>
>> The thing is I don't want to unsubscribe just because I'm not an  
>> artist
>> any more, but the impulses to post *random*stuff* are likely to be
>> around for a while... Unless people speak up to disuade me and give
>> good reasons for why and etc....
>>
>> James.
>>
>>
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