[NetBehaviour] worries about blacklists
isabel brison
ijayessbe at gmail.com
Tue Feb 7 22:29:42 CET 2012
Sadly, it all seems to be about money: if you're getting paid to do
something you end up having to play by the rules of who pays, art market or
state funding... if no-one's paying, you can do whatever you like, and call
it whatever you like.
On 7 February 2012 20:56, mez breeze <netwurker at gmail.com> wrote:
> these days i prefer 2 brand myself a "Creative" which is likewise a
> co-opted filthy_lucre_sheenesque label, but still 1 i prefer 2 "artist"
> #IsntThatSad].
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:18 AM, Simon Biggs <simon at littlepig.org.uk>wrote:
>
>> I can understand why some people don't want to call themselves artists,
>> even when they are. Mike Kelly, a very successful artist, was quoted as
>> saying that if he'd known art was going to become as corporatised as it has
>> he would never have chosen to be an artist (this quote has been viral on
>> Twitter since his recent death). I wonder what he would have chosen to be -
>> or would he have made up something new? This is what we need...
>>
>> People consider what I do as art and assume I'm an artist. However, like
>> Kelly and James, I became disillusioned with art and the art world a long
>> time ago - not because I've been given a hard time (quite the contrary) but
>> because I am disgusted at what seems to motivate many artists and the
>> people who engage (and run) art professionally. It's become a laundry for
>> dodgy money. Many artists, curators and cultural commentators are happy to
>> join the circus. It is sad.
>>
>> Due to this I now think of what I do as the "practice once known as art".
>> A programme I run, which is nominally in an art college (although for
>> administrative reasons it is located in an architecture department)
>> intentionally does not have the word art in its title (MSc by Research in
>> Interdisciplinary Creative Practices). This allows us to work in ways that
>> a course in our art department, with the expectation of producing artists
>> to work in the art world, would struggle to consider, bound by a
>> pre-determined framework of creative practice and engagement that is "art"
>> as we now know it. Again, it's sad (hope my colleagues in art aren't
>> reading this) to see students being primed as potential cannon-fodder for
>> the art world.
>>
>> best
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> On 7 Feb 2012, at 14:29, isabel brison wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Just wondering why you choose not to call yourself an artist. Because the
>> random stuff you post looks suspiciously like art to me...
>>
>> Isabel
>>
>>
>> On 6 February 2012 15:04, James Morris <james at jwm-art.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I recently noticed that facebook warns people about links to my website
>>> being malicious and surbl.org blacklists my domain name as associated
>>> with spam.
>>>
>>> From what I can tell, some email clients allow filtering of messages
>>> based upon these blacklists such as multi.surbl.org or ws.surbl.org and
>>> it is within these lists where my domain is listed in. Spam filters
>>> which use these lists scan the message _body_ and if a reference to a
>>> blacklisted domain is found then the message is regarded as spam.
>>>
>>> I'm rather disappointed about this and it's lead me to wonder if maybe
>>> something I've posted here is to blame. I know I've been argumentative
>>> at times and been reactionary to things I dislike but I hope that the
>>> actual work I've posted (not so much recent work) over the years has
>>> made up for it.
>>>
>>> The artist career thing for me never took off and academically the
>>> degree was as far as I got. Programming has become my focus and due to
>>> that I find little time for anything else.
>>>
>>> With that in mind I'm left making posts on the occasional inspired
>>> impulse. Hence the mobile-shot audio-clips and photographs from while
>>> I'm at (factory)work. Or screenshots of software I'm trying to develop.
>>>
>>> Seems like I'm producing less and less art. But does it have to be art
>>> to post here? I tend to focus on the "creativity" in the title to help
>>> me justify my posts here. I have a memory (real or imagined) of when I
>>> first subscribed of asked Marc if it was ok and he said 'for now'.
>>>
>>> The thing is I don't want to unsubscribe just because I'm not an artist
>>> any more, but the impulses to post *random*stuff* are likely to be
>>> around for a while... Unless people speak up to disuade me and give
>>> good reasons for why and etc....
>>>
>>> James.
>>>
>>>
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>> Simon Biggs
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