[NetBehaviour] worries about blacklists

ruth catlow ruth.catlow at furtherfield.org
Thu Feb 9 12:48:36 CET 2012 

first... come off it James!
surprised by your doubts.
You are one perfect NBer : )

then...
Dear Simon et al

on admitting to being an artist
i hear you but take another approach.

when it comes up
i brace myself
take a deep breath
and call myself an artist.

as a way of being FOR art
FOR a tradition of willful (rather than submissive) practices - that I 
am not ready to give up on.
being the most artist that I can be
which is to be free and connected and alert and part of a conscious 
shaping force of the whole ecology of ideas, beings and things.

re-claiming art now
and using my elbows the best I can to make some space for future art 
freedoms

i see the encroaching marketization of everything and I refuse to run
and risk loosing touch with the values and process that have shaped me, 
enriched my world

art continues to generate more ways to be and see myself together with 
others
i want to keep collaborating with others to create and artify the world.

corporations are running out of land and mineral and energy resources to 
exploit and now it is moving into us, inside us, mining our insides,  
"creativity"  (as an alternative to art) does not provide a safe haven 
from corporatisation.

so i am for art that is critical, indigestible, eloquent, indescribable, 
shapeshifting, cross-realmish, inter-connected, awkward, lumpy, 
unmanageable, critical- and networks give us a great way to do this 
together.

cheers
Ruth


On 07/02/2012 15:18, Simon Biggs wrote:
> I can understand why some people don't want to call themselves 
> artists, even when they are. Mike Kelly, a very successful artist, was 
> quoted as saying that if he'd known art was going to become as 
> corporatised as it has he would never have chosen to be an artist 
> (this quote has been viral on Twitter since his recent death). I 
> wonder what he would have chosen to be - or would he have made up 
> something new? This is what we need...
>
> People consider what I do as art and assume I'm an artist. However, 
> like Kelly and James, I became disillusioned with art and the art 
> world a long time ago - not because I've been given a hard time (quite 
> the contrary) but because I am disgusted at what seems to motivate 
> many artists and the people who engage (and run) art professionally. 
> It's become a laundry for dodgy money. Many artists, curators and 
> cultural commentators are happy to join the circus. It is sad.
>
> Due to this I now think of what I do as the "practice once known as 
> art". A programme I run, which is nominally in an art college 
> (although for administrative reasons it is located in an architecture 
> department) intentionally does not have the word art in its title (MSc 
> by Research in Interdisciplinary Creative Practices). This allows us 
> to work in ways that a course in our art department, with the 
> expectation of producing artists to work in the art world, would 
> struggle to consider, bound by a pre-determined framework of creative 
> practice and engagement that is "art" as we now know it. Again, it's 
> sad (hope my colleagues in art aren't reading this) to see students 
> being primed as potential cannon-fodder for the art world.
>
> best
>
> Simon
>
>
> On 7 Feb 2012, at 14:29, isabel brison wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Just wondering why you choose not to call yourself an artist. Because 
>> the random stuff you post looks suspiciously like art to me...
>>
>> Isabel
>>
>>
>> On 6 February 2012 15:04, James Morris <james at jwm-art.net 
>> <mailto:james at jwm-art.net>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     I recently noticed that facebook warns people about links to my
>>     website
>>     being malicious and surbl.org <http://surbl.org/> blacklists my
>>     domain name as associated
>>     with spam.
>>
>>     From what I can tell, some email clients allow filtering of messages
>>     based upon these blacklists such as multi.surbl.org
>>     <http://multi.surbl.org/> or ws.surbl.org <http://ws.surbl.org/> and
>>     it is within these lists where my domain is listed in. Spam filters
>>     which use these lists scan the message _body_ and if a reference to a
>>     blacklisted domain is found then the message is regarded as spam.
>>
>>     I'm rather disappointed about this and it's lead me to wonder if
>>     maybe
>>     something I've posted here is to blame. I know I've been
>>     argumentative
>>     at times and been reactionary to things I dislike but I hope that the
>>     actual work I've posted (not so much recent work) over the years has
>>     made up for it.
>>
>>     The artist career thing for me never took off and academically the
>>     degree was as far as I got. Programming has become my focus and
>>     due to
>>     that I find little time for anything else.
>>
>>     With that in mind I'm left making posts on the occasional inspired
>>     impulse. Hence the mobile-shot audio-clips and photographs from while
>>     I'm at (factory)work. Or screenshots of software I'm trying to
>>     develop.
>>
>>     Seems like I'm producing less and less art. But does it have to
>>     be art
>>     to post here? I tend to focus on the "creativity" in the title to
>>     help
>>     me justify my posts here. I have a memory (real or imagined) of
>>     when I
>>     first subscribed of asked Marc if it was ok and he said 'for now'.
>>
>>     The thing is I don't want to unsubscribe just because I'm not an
>>     artist
>>     any more, but the impulses to post *random*stuff* are likely to be
>>     around for a while... Unless people speak up to disuade me and give
>>     good reasons for why and etc....
>>
>>     James.
>>
>>
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