[NetBehaviour] worries about blacklists

dave miller dave.miller.uk at gmail.com
Thu Feb 9 18:22:38 CET 2012


tremendous ruth - no apologies for being artists - you give me courage
On Feb 9, 2012 11:51 AM, "ruth catlow" <ruth.catlow at furtherfield.org> wrote:

>  first... come off it James!
> surprised by your doubts.
> You are one perfect NBer : )
>
> then...
> Dear Simon et al
>
> on admitting to being an artist
> i hear you but take another approach.
>
> when it comes up
> i brace myself
> take a deep breath
> and call myself an artist.
>
> as a way of being FOR art
> FOR a tradition of willful (rather than submissive) practices - that I am
> not ready to give up on.
> being the most artist that I can be
> which is to be free and connected and alert and part of a conscious
> shaping force of the whole ecology of ideas, beings and things.
>
> re-claiming art now
> and using my elbows the best I can to make some space for future art
> freedoms
>
> i see the encroaching marketization of everything and I refuse to run
> and risk loosing touch with the values and process that have shaped me,
> enriched my world
>
> art continues to generate more ways to be and see myself together with
> others
> i want to keep collaborating with others to create and artify the world.
>
> corporations are running out of land and mineral and energy resources to
> exploit and now it is moving into us, inside us, mining our insides,
> "creativity"  (as an alternative to art) does not provide a safe haven from
> corporatisation.
>
> so i am for art that is critical, indigestible, eloquent, indescribable,
> shapeshifting, cross-realmish, inter-connected, awkward, lumpy,
> unmanageable, critical- and networks give us a great way to do this
> together.
>
> cheers
> Ruth
>
>
> On 07/02/2012 15:18, Simon Biggs wrote:
>
> I can understand why some people don't want to call themselves artists,
> even when they are. Mike Kelly, a very successful artist, was quoted as
> saying that if he'd known art was going to become as corporatised as it has
> he would never have chosen to be an artist (this quote has been viral on
> Twitter since his recent death). I wonder what he would have chosen to be -
> or would he have made up something new? This is what we need...
>
>  People consider what I do as art and assume I'm an artist. However, like
> Kelly and James, I became disillusioned with art and the art world a long
> time ago - not because I've been given a hard time (quite the contrary) but
> because I am disgusted at what seems to motivate many artists and the
> people who engage (and run) art professionally. It's become a laundry for
> dodgy money. Many artists, curators and cultural commentators are happy to
> join the circus. It is sad.
>
>  Due to this I now think of what I do as the "practice once known as
> art". A programme I run, which is nominally in an art college (although for
> administrative reasons it is located in an architecture department)
> intentionally does not have the word art in its title (MSc by Research in
> Interdisciplinary Creative Practices). This allows us to work in ways that
> a course in our art department, with the expectation of producing artists
> to work in the art world, would struggle to consider, bound by a
> pre-determined framework of creative practice and engagement that is "art"
> as we now know it. Again, it's sad (hope my colleagues in art aren't
> reading this) to see students being primed as potential cannon-fodder for
> the art world.
>
>  best
>
>  Simon
>
>
>  On 7 Feb 2012, at 14:29, isabel brison wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Just wondering why you choose not to call yourself an artist. Because the
> random stuff you post looks suspiciously like art to me...
>
> Isabel
>
>
> On 6 February 2012 15:04, James Morris <james at jwm-art.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently noticed that facebook warns people about links to my website
>> being malicious and surbl.org blacklists my domain name as associated
>> with spam.
>>
>> From what I can tell, some email clients allow filtering of messages
>> based upon these blacklists such as multi.surbl.org or ws.surbl.org and
>> it is within these lists where my domain is listed in. Spam filters
>> which use these lists scan the message _body_ and if a reference to a
>> blacklisted domain is found then the message is regarded as spam.
>>
>> I'm rather disappointed about this and it's lead me to wonder if maybe
>> something I've posted here is to blame. I know I've been argumentative
>> at times and been reactionary to things I dislike but I hope that the
>> actual work I've posted (not so much recent work) over the years has
>> made up for it.
>>
>> The artist career thing for me never took off and academically the
>> degree was as far as I got. Programming has become my focus and due to
>> that I find little time for anything else.
>>
>> With that in mind I'm left making posts on the occasional inspired
>> impulse. Hence the mobile-shot audio-clips and photographs from while
>> I'm at (factory)work. Or screenshots of software I'm trying to develop.
>>
>> Seems like I'm producing less and less art. But does it have to be art
>> to post here? I tend to focus on the "creativity" in the title to help
>> me justify my posts here. I have a memory (real or imagined) of when I
>> first subscribed of asked Marc if it was ok and he said 'for now'.
>>
>> The thing is I don't want to unsubscribe just because I'm not an artist
>> any more, but the impulses to post *random*stuff* are likely to be
>> around for a while... Unless people speak up to disuade me and give
>> good reasons for why and etc....
>>
>> James.
>>
>>
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