[NetBehaviour] fail better

[Joel Weishaus]

In the taking of a photograph, time is condensed into a moment or two. While in making a drawing, time is spread out.
Of course, if one works with photographs, such as in a darkroom, or with Photoshop, the difference is just a matter of technique.
Also, I was going to say that we "take" a photograph; and thus, unlike a drawing, it's a process of appropriation. However, in drawing a portrait, for example, the feeling is, even more than with a photograph, of "stealing a soul."
Comparison is always a matter of which points you choose to compare.   

-Joel
 
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  From: Michael Szpakowski 
  To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity 
  Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better


  Once again thanks for the interesting, helpful and encouraging responses.
  I feel strangely the same when I point my camera at something and when I do a sketch "in the moment" - I'm quite impressed by Patrick Maynard's argument which seems to be that drawing and photography are essentially both just processes of mark making....
  I think I could quite quickly produce you a photo of a unicorn actually - I'm deeply sceptical about all the indexical , one-one correspondence to reality - blather about photos. It was pretty much never the defining feature ( ask Joe Stalin) and it certainly isn't now.
  Moreover I'm not convinced that when I draw I'm any less a "mechanism" of some kind for creating a kind of map of at least some parts of reality than I am when I photograph (or remix photos which is something I've been doing a lot). I'm with Baldessari who scratched his head ( I'm dramatising of course and quoting from memory here) and said he couldn't really see that much difference between painting and photographs...
  Anyway, theory aside, that I should get such kind and helpful feedback is one of the reasons I love netbehaviour :)
  warm wishes
  michael


  OK -just found it:
  John Baldessari : “A photograph and a painting are essentially the same thing. One is just a series of pigments in emulsifier put down on canvas, while the other is silver nitrate deposits put down on paper. There is very little difference between the two.” 





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  From: Perry Bard <perrybard at gmail.com>
  To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org> 
  Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better





  Last night a philosopher friend Nick Pappas and I had this very conversation-about the properties of photo vs painting and drawing. WJT Mitchell in Intention and Artifice isolates an essential difference- the referent adheres in a photo- you can paint a unicorn but not photograph one (irrefutable, no?). Nick argued that a camera is an object- you point and record, even if you make a mistake or someone jostles your hand you record a specific moment in time whereas a drawing records a moment in consciousness.
  Perry


  On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Annie Abrahams <bram.org at gmail.com> wrote:

    I do think Michael you have a lot of formal technique - the way you chose, frame and compose the image, the way you look at things is very "sophisticated".
    I was wondering what for you makes these drawings so different from your photos? Why do you want to do it? 
    Is it a question of time? of attention?of meditation? of trying to grasp something in a world too full of information? 
    For me your drawings are full of time and 
    they are brave
    I love to see them.
    Annie



    On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Rob Myers <rob at robmyers.org> wrote:

      On 14/01/12 17:00, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
      > thank-you Joel...
      > I don't honestly know how I expect people to react. I'm pretty obsessed
      > at the moment...
      > I know that drawing is something I really want to keep doing.
      > warm wishes
      > michael


      You have a good eye for form, space and tone. As someone who's an
      enthusiastic rather than a competent draughtsperson I really admire what
      you are doing here. Do keep doing!

      - Rob.

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