[NetBehaviour] fail better
Simon Mclennan
mitjafashion at hotmail.com
Sun Jan 15 22:01:46 CET 2012
That's it Michael, I like and crave the physical engagement that
comes with drawing, painting, music and film making.
Artists can use any medium, of course they are all valid - I would
never ever beat people with sticks of their mediums [sic] (unless
they were chalk - Mark, Heath take note)
When I make a super 8 film I like the work to be projected in its
final form - because it's made of light partly, and because of the
physicality of film - its more fun, for me, than sitting in front of
my laptop. I like to practice spinning when I am happy and in the
moment, usually not when I'm on the laptop alone, but out and about
with other artists and people. (In fact I challenged Heath Bunting to
a hand walking contest recently - but he chickened out)
Ha ha
Si
Your drawings look a bit like storyboards at times (your editing
background maybe)
On 15 Jan 2012, at 17:55, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
> OH - I'd be very unhappy to have even lent anyone a stick to beat
> anyone else's way of making work.
> For me it's the increasing convergence of the most ancient and the
> most modern ways of doing things that is fascinating. I can't
> imagine stopping taking photographs or making movies or writing
> music but I also crave lots more of that physical engagement that
> comes with the drawing.
>
> This year I have had a show where my piece used javascript, html
> and lingo to make something generative;
> I've done lots of stuff arising out of the idea of remixing, I've
> taken a shitload of photos and I've...drawn. All of them were great
> to do & I can't belive that they didn't have some impact on each
> other.
> The only thing I am sceptical about is when people say "ought" ...
> The fact that I present my drawings to you, not as drawings but as
> digital images of drawings a on a web 2.0 application has too, I
> think, some significance...
>
> I have to say though that, personally, I still feel that what goes
> on in my head when I photograph and when I draw is very closely
> related (and I think this is because I only came to feeling I had
> the confidence to *photograph* well after the digital was standard
> and I've never made a photo that I didn't work over in some way,
> even if it was just getting it from RAW to jpeg, it's just natural
> for me to think that a photographic image is both performative, a
> selction but also compositional). Likewise there's something
> performative and snapshot like about some of the drawings which
> were done trying to capture someone moving fast across my field of
> vision (some done from the passenger seat :) of a car) & I can't
> help feeling my years of working with *frames* of video has some
> relevance here in the places in the drawings where I've almost
> stacked up, superimposed, different positions of the subject..
>
> I'm delgihted that netbehaviour can embrace a whole number of
> different practices and approaches & that we're able to have
> discussion like this...
> warm wishes
> michael
>
>
> From: Joel Weishaus <weishaus at pdx.edu>
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better
>
> Simon;
>
> I've found taking photographs rewarding because the camera seems to
> have a mind of its own. Even a digital camera is still a "magic
> lantern."
> As for writing code, I personally agree with you. The computer to
> me is a tool; although, to paraphrase the poet Gary Snyder, "Tools.
> Now there's a subject!"
>
> -Joel
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Simon Mclennan
> To: bob catchpole ; NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better
>
> Very very interesting that this has been commented on so much.
> I suspect the reason is that this is a web based forum with
> contributers who have some stake in new media ie freakin boring
> computers (I say this as a one time street artist and latecomer to
> computers) and so when somebody picks up a paint brush it's like
> woo hoo how exotic.
> Personally I still find the idea of programming a computer
> incredibly boring - however I give you guys some slack and say cool
> if you want to make code into poetry. To me a machine is merely an
> end to a means, in this case artistic expression.
> Lets all paint paint paint - make a big bonfire of cameras - they
> were always a con ;)
>
> Simon
> On 15 Jan 2012, at 16:27, bob catchpole wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> I disagree with John Baldessari. Painting and photography are
>> radically different picture-making processes - one is based on
>> synthesis and the other on selection. In a painting or drawing you
>> start with nothing and have to add. In photography you start with
>> everything and have to extract.
>>
>> Your drawing are strong because they capture something about you.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> From: Michael Szpakowski <szpako at yahoo.com>
>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>> <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012, 15:11
>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better
>>
>> Once again thanks for the interesting, helpful and encouraging
>> responses.
>> I feel strangely the same when I point my camera at something and
>> when I do a sketch "in the moment" - I'm quite impressed by
>> Patrick Maynard's argument which seems to be that drawing and
>> photography are essentially both just processes of mark making....
>> I think I could quite quickly produce you a photo of a unicorn
>> actually - I'm deeply sceptical about all the indexical , one-one
>> correspondence to reality - blather about photos. It was pretty
>> much never the defining feature ( ask Joe Stalin) and it certainly
>> isn't now.
>> Moreover I'm not convinced that when I draw I'm any less a
>> "mechanism" of some kind for creating a kind of map of at least
>> some parts of reality than I am when I photograph (or remix photos
>> which is something I've been doing a lot). I'm with Baldessari who
>> scratched his head ( I'm dramatising of course and quoting from
>> memory here) and said he couldn't really see that much difference
>> between painting and photographs...
>> Anyway, theory aside, that I should get such kind and helpful
>> feedback is one of the reasons I love netbehaviour :)
>> warm wishes
>> michael
>>
>> OK -just found it:
>> John Baldessari : “A photograph and a painting are essentially the
>> same thing. One is just a series of pigments in emulsifier put
>> down on canvas, while the other is silver nitrate deposits put
>> down on paper. There is very little difference between the two.”
>>
>>
>> From: Perry Bard <perrybard at gmail.com>
>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>> <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better
>>
>>
>> Last night a philosopher friend Nick Pappas and I had this very
>> conversation-about the properties of photo vs painting and
>> drawing. WJT Mitchell in Intention and Artifice isolates an
>> essential difference- the referent adheres in a photo- you can
>> paint a unicorn but not photograph one (irrefutable, no?). Nick
>> argued that a camera is an object- you point and record, even if
>> you make a mistake or someone jostles your hand you record a
>> specific moment in time whereas a drawing records a moment in
>> consciousness.
>> Perry
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Annie Abrahams
>> <bram.org at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I do think Michael you have a lot of formal technique - the way
>> you chose, frame and compose the image, the way you look at things
>> is very "sophisticated".
>> I was wondering what for you makes these drawings so different
>> from your photos? Why do you want to do it?
>> Is it a question of time? of attention?of meditation? of trying to
>> grasp something in a world too full of information?
>> For me your drawings are full of time and
>> they are brave
>> I love to see them.
>> Annie
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Rob Myers <rob at robmyers.org> wrote:
>> On 14/01/12 17:00, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
>> > thank-you Joel...
>> > I don't honestly know how I expect people to react. I'm pretty
>> obsessed
>> > at the moment...
>> > I know that drawing is something I really want to keep doing.
>> > warm wishes
>> > michael
>>
>> You have a good eye for form, space and tone. As someone who's an
>> enthusiastic rather than a competent draughtsperson I really
>> admire what
>> you are doing here. Do keep doing!
>>
>> - Rob.
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