[NetBehaviour] burning question of the day

marc garrett marc.garrett at furtherfield.org
Tue Jul 2 21:54:29 CEST 2013


Hi Helen,

 >do we still need to go to university if we get more than x number of 
endorsements for something?

After rereading, I now realize it was not concerning what I answered...

Doh, me & my reading too much into things again ;-)

chat soon.

marc
> yes; measurements are always subjective & biased towards one agenda or 
> another. i suppose the theory is that on linkedin, it's our peers & 
> colleagues who are "measuring" us rather than some authority. but the 
> message is still that we should measure ourselves & each other, even 
> when this kind of measurement is pretty meaningless. for example, 
> someone has endorsed me for "film". sure, i've dabbled in film & video 
> production, & i like to watch films, but i'm hardly an expert in 
> "film" ... ;)
>
> On 2/07/13 12:10 PM, marc garrett wrote:
>> Hi Helen,
>>
>> I think your question touches on important things here...
>>
>> After getting a place in Chelsea College, in 86 I was then suddenly 
>> thrown out because they fucked up my grant application. Ironically, 
>> even though I was in despair at the time. This created a new 
>> situation where I ended up moving to bristol in 87, setting up pirate 
>> radio stations, and taught myself computer technology & did projects 
>> with Heath Bunting, and thus the early spirit of Furtherfield began 
>> to emerge. Although, it was in mid-90s that Furtherfield really got 
>> into gear after realizing that just being a pain in the neck to the 
>> system was not going to change things at deeper levels. Emancipation 
>> was not just about one's self getting on in the world, but working 
>> things out with others.
>>
>> I have always advocated self-learning, and I am an obsessive 
>> autodidact. Finding imaginative ways to stay afloat is a valuable 
>> skill. Whether you are part of an arts organization or an artist who 
>> is not affiliated to an institution, you need varied abilities in 
>> order to survive. This is because the institutional networks and 
>> their frameworks with their default settings do not support those 
>> existing outside of them. Which is obvious, but not always explored 
>> in much detail.
>>
>> The extra slice of irony here is that, in the future (this is 
>> happening now) institutions will only be able to justify education 
>> through economical processes. Which kind of leaves many of the more 
>> adventurous thinkers and artists in these environments having to 
>> expand their connections and thus their ideas with others outside of 
>> their traditional frameworks, unless they decide to give in to the 
>> greater hegemony, and many will and do. Of course, such actions are 
>> difficult because those who are doing great things in their 
>> institutions are dealing with extremely tough regimes which stunt 
>> developments for many different reasons, some of these are because 
>> the institutions have histories reliant on classical traditions, even 
>> though these traditions may also be challenged by Neoliberal demands 
>> from top-down, market dominated ideologies.
>>
>> Which brings me back to contemporary academics and artists, working 
>> in these environments, where the hierarchies they exist in are 
>> dictating values and behaviors where assumed canons take precedence 
>> over what's really going on in contemporary art culture. Unless, 
>> those in positions of academia, curators, and artists begin to expand 
>> their remits, studies, and art processes, beyond referencing only 
>> what is in front of their nose -- so that others can see the real 
>> alternatives which are existing now (and before). Then, you can say 
>> goodbye to groups like ourselves, and similar thinking individuals, 
>> who believe - what you are told is not necessarily a true measurement 
>> of our reality.
>>
>> Wishing you well.
>>
>> marc
>>> yes i have; but i find it very strange. does linkedin mean the same 
>>> thing by Art as we do? what do you know about Art? everything? do we 
>>> still need to go to university if we get more than x number of 
>>> endorsements for something?
>>>
>>> On 2/07/13 8:32 AM, ruth catlow wrote:
>>>> Endorse! endorse!!
>>>>
>>>> On 01/07/2013 13:27, helen varley jamieson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> such a strange world we live in ...
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> helen varley jamieson
>>>>> helen at creative-catalyst.com <mailto:helen at creative-catalyst.com>
>>>>> http://www.creative-catalyst.com
>>>>> http://www.wehaveasituation.net
>>>>> http://www.upstage.org.nz
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proud of free culture - claiming it with others ;)

Other reviews,articles,interviews
http://www.furtherfield.org/reviews.php

Furtherfield -- online arts community, platforms for creating, viewing,
discussing and learning about experimental practices at the
intersections of art, technology and social change.
http://www.furtherfield.org

Furtherfield Gallery -- Finsbury Park (London).
http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery

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