[NetBehaviour] burning question of the day

helen varley jamieson helen at creative-catalyst.com
Wed Jul 3 15:39:22 CEST 2013


but you always have interesting things to say :)

On 2/07/13 9:54 PM, marc garrett wrote:
> Hi Helen,
>
> >do we still need to go to university if we get more than x number of 
> endorsements for something?
>
> After rereading, I now realize it was not concerning what I answered...
>
> Doh, me & my reading too much into things again ;-)
>
> chat soon.
>
> marc
>> yes; measurements are always subjective & biased towards one agenda 
>> or another. i suppose the theory is that on linkedin, it's our peers 
>> & colleagues who are "measuring" us rather than some authority. but 
>> the message is still that we should measure ourselves & each other, 
>> even when this kind of measurement is pretty meaningless. for 
>> example, someone has endorsed me for "film". sure, i've dabbled in 
>> film & video production, & i like to watch films, but i'm hardly an 
>> expert in "film" ... ;)
>>
>> On 2/07/13 12:10 PM, marc garrett wrote:
>>> Hi Helen,
>>>
>>> I think your question touches on important things here...
>>>
>>> After getting a place in Chelsea College, in 86 I was then suddenly 
>>> thrown out because they fucked up my grant application. Ironically, 
>>> even though I was in despair at the time. This created a new 
>>> situation where I ended up moving to bristol in 87, setting up 
>>> pirate radio stations, and taught myself computer technology & did 
>>> projects with Heath Bunting, and thus the early spirit of 
>>> Furtherfield began to emerge. Although, it was in mid-90s that 
>>> Furtherfield really got into gear after realizing that just being a 
>>> pain in the neck to the system was not going to change things at 
>>> deeper levels. Emancipation was not just about one's self getting on 
>>> in the world, but working things out with others.
>>>
>>> I have always advocated self-learning, and I am an obsessive 
>>> autodidact. Finding imaginative ways to stay afloat is a valuable 
>>> skill. Whether you are part of an arts organization or an artist who 
>>> is not affiliated to an institution, you need varied abilities in 
>>> order to survive. This is because the institutional networks and 
>>> their frameworks with their default settings do not support those 
>>> existing outside of them. Which is obvious, but not always explored 
>>> in much detail.
>>>
>>> The extra slice of irony here is that, in the future (this is 
>>> happening now) institutions will only be able to justify education 
>>> through economical processes. Which kind of leaves many of the more 
>>> adventurous thinkers and artists in these environments having to 
>>> expand their connections and thus their ideas with others outside of 
>>> their traditional frameworks, unless they decide to give in to the 
>>> greater hegemony, and many will and do. Of course, such actions are 
>>> difficult because those who are doing great things in their 
>>> institutions are dealing with extremely tough regimes which stunt 
>>> developments for many different reasons, some of these are because 
>>> the institutions have histories reliant on classical traditions, 
>>> even though these traditions may also be challenged by Neoliberal 
>>> demands from top-down, market dominated ideologies.
>>>
>>> Which brings me back to contemporary academics and artists, working 
>>> in these environments, where the hierarchies they exist in are 
>>> dictating values and behaviors where assumed canons take precedence 
>>> over what's really going on in contemporary art culture. Unless, 
>>> those in positions of academia, curators, and artists begin to 
>>> expand their remits, studies, and art processes, beyond referencing 
>>> only what is in front of their nose -- so that others can see the 
>>> real alternatives which are existing now (and before). Then, you can 
>>> say goodbye to groups like ourselves, and similar thinking 
>>> individuals, who believe - what you are told is not necessarily a 
>>> true measurement of our reality.
>>>
>>> Wishing you well.
>>>
>>> marc
>>>> yes i have; but i find it very strange. does linkedin mean the same 
>>>> thing by Art as we do? what do you know about Art? everything? do 
>>>> we still need to go to university if we get more than x number of 
>>>> endorsements for something?
>>>>
>>>> On 2/07/13 8:32 AM, ruth catlow wrote:
>>>>> Endorse! endorse!!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/07/2013 13:27, helen varley jamieson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> such a strange world we live in ...
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> helen varley jamieson
>>>>>> helen at creative-catalyst.com <mailto:helen at creative-catalyst.com>
>>>>>> http://www.creative-catalyst.com
>>>>>> http://www.wehaveasituation.net
>>>>>> http://www.upstage.org.nz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>

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helen at creative-catalyst.com <mailto:helen at creative-catalyst.com>
http://www.creative-catalyst.com
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