[NetBehaviour] Do we still engage?

Alan Sondheim sondheim at panix.com
Mon Jun 24 18:37:08 CEST 2013

If it's death, it's death as a kind of 'slumming' - i.e. you pull out of 
it! Hopefully! I'd like to hear more about what you experienced -

- Alan

On Mon, 24 Jun 2013, Suzon Fuks wrote:

> Johannes, yes there are many different meanings for 'engagement': I was
> thinking about body perceptions and presence, in terms of engagement.
> Somehow as human, I am interested by understanding engagement from
> within.I do not just dissolve, I dissolve in the whole? and somehow engage
> at that times in a very nuanced way. It is comparable to meditation, and
> maybe death, Alan!
> Suzon
> On 24/06/13 9:00 PM, "netbehaviour-request at netbehaviour.org"
> <netbehaviour-request at netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 05:29:48 +0100
>> From: Johannes Birringer <Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Do we still engage?
>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>>    <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>
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>> dear Alan and all
>> you letter Alan is full of disillusionment, and i understand that,
>> and I wondered as well about Suzon Fuks's response and her telling us
>> that she stood still
>> ("Anyone is Free to Do Nothing With The Artist"), Suzon you said you
>> dissolved, I worry about that.
>> The dissolution o f  the Whole is what Alan's post argued, and his
>> additional critique, I believe,
>> is directed at everything, including the street, the galleries, the
>> universities and the outside of
>> universities, the furtherfields, the eyebeams,  and lists like this, ?
>> the lack of depth of continuity of discourse of
>> philosophical or critical reflection ? and what TAZ's? i see none, if
>> indeed there is no safe and hallow ground.
>> but reflection and outrage are happening, Alan, and so is writing, also
>> here on this list, though maybe sparsely,
>> and those who act out or stand still are part of what Christian Cary, in
>> his book "Strange Rebels: 1979 and the
>> Birth of the 21st Century" believes to be a continuous revelation of the
>> actually feeble dominant ideologies
>> - yes, I agree, neoliberal capitalism is a strange monster, hard to grasp
>> and what does it affect us to do on a local
>> level of political strategy  ?  they are feeble because the crumble and
>> fracture, and underlying needs are sustained,
>> as you can see all around us in many places where people are upset. These
>> expressions of being upset
>> are, one could argue, an effect of inquiries that people make about what
>> we are doing here. Regardless of whether
>> they reread Spinoza or Foucault. Today I met old friends for coffee and
>> we did not mention a single writer on your
>> list, but others came up, Bohr and Einstein and Hugh Everett's
>> many-worlds interpretation (in quantum mechanics),
>> and I was not able to follow everything, but got inspired as we discussed
>> randomness and unpredictability for
>> some time. what i might ask here is what we think 'engagement' ultimately
>> means, and I am sure it means many
>> different things for different folks. If you ask whether you can find a
>> place to think, then only you can answer
>> and answer it with the people close to you or in the margins that you
>> described;  i cannot even begin now to speculate on,
>> say, where Snowden is and how this can possibly have a good ending. Or
>> whether there is a good ending for any of us.
>> regards
>> Johannes
>> ________________________________________
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>> [netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org] On Behalf Of Alan Sondheim
>> [sondheim at panix.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 7:07 AM
>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Do we still engage?
>> Hi, just want to add a few things here. A lot of what's being discussed is
>> political economy, political strategy, and there are narratives that
>> circulate around these. Philosophy moves above and below; it's a ground-
>> work of the body and ethos and it's the grand narratives as well: all of
>> these are shattered. But the inquiry is relevant and asked everywhere -
>> what are we doing here? I would also ask about institutions - so many of
>> us in the U.S. operate from none, on the margins; like them I get by with
>> a little help from my friends, but have no exhibition or publication
>> structure I can rely on, no institutional collegiality (the last I had was
>> Eyebeam, and that lasted for six months, ending a year and a half ago). So
>> the situation places us on the street, whatever we do, without financial
>> support, without the continuity of discourse that tends towards depth. I'm
>> not complaining; I also chose this path to some extent. But what then?
>> That philosophy, political economy, strategies, if they tend towards
>> depth, have to exist outside any institution or academy altogether; I
>> think of the Plato etc. as engendering TAZ. So all of this is outside the
>> gallery structure to some extent. On the other hand, I wander here, I see
>> just as much corrosion in new media and new media institutions, as I found
>> in the academy; if the names are different, and the outlets apparently
>> mobile, there is still canon- and genre-making at work, just as there was
>> with the Situationists for example, or within Eyebeam, or those gatherings
>> I've attended this past year. If the academy needs deconstructing - and it
>> does - so does the alternative institution, the email list, Occupy, all of
>> is. There's no safe or hallowed ground. The issue then, if there is one at
>> all (I realize I'm rambling), is - how does one find a place to think, and
>> to think deeply? And as well - how does one find a site for action?
>> Places and sites are invisible, almost virtual in their reality; perhaps
>> the dead are the only real among us.
>> - Alan
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