[NetBehaviour] big fuck-off blue grid #2

[Joel Weishaus]

Yes, of course I agree with you.

Warmly,
Joel

On 7/28/2014 2:26 PM, michael szpakowski wrote:
>
> Oh -I don't differ with you there. I'm not in favour of complexity for 
> the sake of it, far from it.
> I'm not sure that applets are any more intrinsically complex than the 
> html & images you yourself have used to such striking effect. I'm just 
> sad to see what appears to me a crepping ( and not so creeping ) 
> corporatism with the side effect of wrecking expressive possibilities...
> cheers
> michael
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> *From:* Joel Weishaus <joelweishaus at gmail.com>
> *To:* Michael Szpakowski <szpako at yahoo.com>; Netbehaviour 
> <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2014 9:32 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] big fuck-off blue grid #2
>
> As I cut my artistic teeth on a typewriter, that simple tool that 
> produced so much great and abiding literature, as did the quill before 
> it, perhaps because of this, since I began using computers, around 
> 1991, my approach has been to use the simplest tools to make the most 
> complex art.
>
> -Joel
>
>
>
> On 7/28/2014 12:43 PM, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
>> HI Joel
>> yes - this seems to be behind the draconian new settings which 
>> effectively mean that one can no longer realistically display applets 
>> within a web page. It's a great pity because it means quite a lot of 
>> pioneering art on the net will no longer be accessible and the lovely 
>> work flow that was possible with the Processing language -created 
>> especially for artists - whereby one exported to a applet which could 
>> then be embedded in a web page for all to see will vanish..So the 
>> rather nice little 200 character java pieces from the Rhizome project 
>> goes too..
>> Of course I'm not in favour of technologies that carry risks for 
>> innocent users andI'm not an expert but I suspect it would be 
>> perfectly possible to make applets secure, it's just not a priority 
>> for those whose interest in the net is business - why should a few 
>> quirky artists matter? A little voice says we had twenty years of 
>> relatively non-corporate fun and everything is now closing off...
>> ( and again I could be wrong but it feels like HTML 5 and the demise 
>> of plug-ins might make the world safer for business but it'll be less 
>> interesting for artists...)Maybe I'm wrong and someone with more 
>> background than me can reassure me...
>> I have gone with the flow and created standalone applications of the 
>> piece in question but the great thing about the net and net art was 
>> always its immediacy -the fact one didn't *have* to download and run 
>> stuff on one's own computer...
>> cheers
>> michael
>>
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>> *From:* Joel Weishaus <joelweishaus at gmail.com> 
>> <mailto:joelweishaus at gmail.com>
>> *To:* michael szpakowski <michael at dvblog.org> 
>> <mailto:michael at dvblog.org>; Netbehaviour 
>> <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org> <mailto:netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2014 7:51 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] big fuck-off blue grid #2
>>
>> Hi Michael;
>>
>> I once got a virus via a java plug-in that brought down my whole hard 
>> drive.
>> It was years ago, but I haven't installed java since. Perhaps Sun now
>> has better security?
>>
>> Best,
>> Joel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/26/2014 2:25 PM, michael szpakowski wrote:
>> >
>> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/szpako/14751445932/
>> >
>> > this painting is a companion piece to a piece I made for the 
>> Rhizome 200 character Processing competition some years back. That 
>> exists as an applet here ( though you might have to tweak your 
>> security settings to see it as apparently applets are history)
>> >
>> > http://www.openprocessing.org/sketch/4389
>> >
>> > I also uploaded applcation versions for windows, mac and linux here:
>> >
>> > http://www.michaelszpakowski.org/bfobg/
>> >
>> > I thought I was making a little joke when I made it. When I looked 
>> at it again it surprised me how much I actually like it. ( I like the 
>> painting too & I like the idea of them both exisitng)
>> > cheers
>> > michael
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