[NetBehaviour] [Fwd: questions from a plausible Corbyn voter?]

none aha at aharonic.net
Wed Aug 12 13:56:02 CEST 2015


An update -

Signed up as a labour party supporter so in a sense, voting is reserved now.

Strange signup process though:
* the form did not have a Mx option, nor Other gender - yet very insistent
on solving male/female question.

* Paying the suggested amounts  3, 5 and 10 pounds, produced a server not
found event. Worked fine when typed £3 in other amount option.

* Background, of repeated Text images was like a way to 90's web without a
smile...

Anyhow, feels a bit strange to be in such a link with a well established
political party, but deed is indeed done.

Cheers and have much fun before the rain!

aharonx

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>> On 10 August 2015 at 08:52, none <aha at aharonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Jeremy Corbyn,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope this finds you, and/or a trusted assistant very well indeed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am considering to register as a labour party supporter with the
>>> intention of voting for you in the leadership elections. However, some
>>>  questions prickle my mind, for which am hoping to get some relevant
>>> replies.
>>>
>>> Since i suspect these prickling questions might be shared with other
>>> people - this email is open and shared via personal contacts and
>>> mailing lists.
>>>
>>> More regarding context - in Notes bellow signature.
>>> Am kind of rushing into questions while assuming, hopefully not too
>>> incorrectly, it might assist readability.
>>>
>>> Question #1
>>> Will a labour party with your leadership, be open and willing for
>>> dialogues with both like minded and interested people?* (Debate note)
>>>
>>> Question #2
>>> Have read somewhere that you rather people Not vote for you if they do
>>>  not feel represented by your views and policies - a very commendable
>>>  stance, imho.
>>>
>>> The following might be an over interpretation and misunderstanding
>>> what was actually meant - hence please excuse a certain bluntness:
>>> Would you
>>> welcome a vote from a person like me who sees potential similarities
>>> in directions of ideas you support, rather than  being represented by
>>> these ideas*?(Policies note)
>>>
>>> Question #2.1
>>> Another, related feeling of unease is to do with being a labour
>>> supporter.
>>>
>>> I didn't - and  wouldn't - support neo-liberal, blairite labour.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, I have always considered the labour party more palatable
>>> than the tories. eg, think that if  in one's constituency the "choice"
>>> is between labour and tory - vote labour precisely because then it
>>> gives more weight for people with links and dependencies to social
>>> oriented considerations in political views. Does it qualify a person
>>> like me to sign up as a supporter?
>>>
>>> Question #3
>>> Suppose it turns out that perhaps there is a positive argument to be
>>> made in favour of someone like me voting for you. I'd like to have a
>>> clue whether or not, if you were to be the labour party leader, you'd
>>> prioritise aspects of public policies. e.g. education over foreign
>>> aid and defence, etc..
>>>
>>> If there will be such prioritising, where about in the scale of
>>> importance culture - including art, science and technology
>>> developments - might find
>>> itself?* (Culture note)
>>>
>>> Considering this might be slightly late in terms of the 12th august
>>> deadline for getting involved, am considering a payment of £3 as a
>>> possible way to ensure there is enough time to mull over whether or
>>> not to vote.
>>>
>>> There's a whole bunch of other, more specific questions, however they
>>>  are, in my view, more specific and perhaps less appropriate here.
>>>
>>> Cheers, best regards and many advanced thanks for any ideas and
>>> suggestions!
>>>
>>> aharon xx
>>>
>>> Thanks for all who suggested stuff to do with this email!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * A general note
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Following  May 2015 elections, there was a time when it seemed only
>>> new-labour  linked people might run for the party's leadership.
>>>
>>> At  that time, I thought this might be strange because in the past
>>> there were at least Token candidates from the more socialist wings of
>>> labour. When  your candidacy was announced, I thought this would be
>>> such a token leadership run - hence am pleasantly surprised there is
>>> an actual chance someone of your views being elected as the labour
>>> leader.
>>>
>>>
>>> * Policies note
>>> In my opinion, if Blair and Co took labour - and the UK - firmly
>>> towards 19th century socio-economic practices and debate references
>>> that inspired some of Dickens' best novels; the kind of socialism you
>>> seem to represent is firmly in the 20th century. Eg policies like:
>>> nationalisation, and national education services*. (national
>>> education services note)
>>>
>>> Personally,  for example, am more interested, in
>>> commonisation*(common note) than  nationalisation, and a wide scope
>>> for experimenting with solutions for  public services and education.
>>>
>>>
>>> * Debate note
>>> It  seems that with your kind of views leading the Labour party,
>>> perhaps the debate can turn in the direction people with my kind of
>>> views think it should. E.g.   services that are - or become - a public
>>>  requirement, should be commonised if private and remain of the
>>> common if already as such.
>>>
>>> This  "debate reference" argument to vote for you is linked to Owen
>>> Jones'
>>> point about preference for debating with a Labour government, rather
>>> than fight a Tory one. (
>>>
>>> http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/08/owen-jones-right-are-moc
>>> ki ng-jeremy-corbyn-because-secretly-they-fear-him ) These kind of
>>> views perhaps have a realpolitik feel - assuming there might indeed be
>>> a willingness for dialogical rather than theatrical debates.
>>>
>>> * Culture note
>>> The reference is regarding developments that are culturally oriented.
>>> Art,
>>> science and technology are general examples, and hopefully do not
>>> preclude relevant developments in other interests, be it, for
>>> example, education, driving, swimming, hacking, plumbing, etc..
>>>
>>> * Common orientation note
>>> In reference to what seems a yet to be well established notion of
>>> making public services in and of the common. eg:
>>> http://dougald.nu/fullcommonism/
>>> http://is.gd/AfbrTH
>>> http://is.gd/come2common
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indu_Prakash_Singh
>>> http://eprints.lincoln.ac.uk/17806/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.networkedlabour.net/2015/02/the-internet-and-social-media-
>>> at -a-crossroads-capitalism-or-commonism/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *  National education service note
>>> The idea of a national education service seems, to me, be actually a
>>> Training - work skills provision - focused proposal. In my mind
>>> education is to do with questioning that which is considered known,
>>> and the skills involved with that, rather than specific work/job
>>> related skill. While this distinction might sound on the scale of
>>> pompousness and semantic for some, fair enough. Yes, on some levels it
>>> is indeed meaningless, however, I think that, as illustrated in:
>>>
>>> http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/08/jeremy-corbyn-proposing-
>>> na tional-education-service-would-it-work - the policy and activity
>>> ideas seem to be focused on the training side of learning, and perhaps
>>>  education requires policies as well..?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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