[NetBehaviour] banksy dismaland
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Sat Aug 22 22:18:52 CEST 2015
not having seen it or a chance to see it, it sounds more interesting than
that - partaking of the abject which is difficult to politicize, moving
things to different grounds perhaps altogether - at least there's _this_
discussion on nettime, the u.s. seems caught up in the usual violence, for
example Trump who would probably sink the boats -
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015, Paolo Ruffino wrote:
> There are a few aspects that I find to be quite curious
> 1) the park is described from the home page as hosting a festival of
> '... entry-level anarchism'
> What does it have to do with anarchism, exactly, and how is anarchism
> intended here?
> 2) I see from the map that the park also has an art gallery, listed
> as the number one attraction, and hosting 'the finest collection of
> contemporary art'. That is where Hirst and co. can be seen, I suppose.
> How is that part of the anarchism? is it supposed to be part of that?
> 3) The migrant boat attraction has been seen in many of the reports
> about Dismaland
> After a long stay in Italy this summer, and having seen the images of
> real migrants dying on the boats that cross the Mediterranean on
> television news almost every day, I found this attraction to be indeed
> quite disturbing, but also maybe uselessly so.
> I don't want to be necessarily sceptic and I would seriously like to
> visit the show before judging, I will give it the benefit of doubt.
> However, I find the whole project to be more interested in shocking
> the audience (and the press) than providing a critique, and a
> strategic one for that matter. That is maybe what I find most annoying
> with the use of the term 'anarchism', which I believe should be used
> with caution - unless the whole point is, indeed, to just attract the
> press and visitors. But if the term is used, and it is on this
> occasion, then the show must also be evaluated from a political
> standpoint, and that's when it becomes disappointing. How is the
> migrant boat, for instance, telling us something other than what we
> already know, and a part from having fun of our unwillingness to stop
> this tragedy?
> Seen from distance, it looks like a tired attempt, one that will
> certainly generate rumours but that will be gone in 5 weeks from now.
> I suspect the show will in fact be what it already claims to be, that
> is, 'the UK's most disappointing new visitor's attraction'.
> The problem that will remain for the rest of us, and after the show is
> gone, is how to understand the distinction between parody and satire
> in artistic practice, and if it is really necessary to evaluate
> similar interventions from a political standpoint.
> On 22 August 2015 at 12:45, James Morris <james at jwm-art.net> wrote:
>> any thoughts?
>> good? a good thing? bad? bad in a good way? or just indifferent.
>> saw on ch4 news one of the artists had never been an artist before, this
>> alongside such giants as everyone's favourite: damien hirst.
>> if damien's there, maybe tracy should be too, but i would like to offer
>> another solutionm, tracy could come back to her home town and collect
>> rubbish off the streets - discarded matresses, crt monitors, sofas - that
>> people can't be bothered to take to the tip - and perhaps rejuvinate these
>> items into works of art?
>> oh sorry. back to dismaland, i would be tempted to visit if it was less
>> inconvenient, ie, it was just down the road so i didn't have to venture out
>> of thanet. it's only open for 5 weeks.
>> there you are then, that's the sum total of my dismal thoughts toward
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