[NetBehaviour] dismal news

Alan Sondheim sondheim at panix.com
Mon Aug 24 23:48:03 CEST 2015


He could be a disaster, popular but technical Net guru/lawyer, advocates 
the commons, has a lot of books out - and if he draws from the Left, it 
will be a bit like Nader years ago. No chance of winning at all but a 
slight chance of being a spoiler, which would be disasterous.

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015, none wrote:

> Might interest in this context an interview from democracynow:
> http://www.democracynow.org/2015/8/24/we_need_to_fix_our_democracy
>
> The guy is hopeful in tone.
>
> What I think might be interesting here is possibly the way he attempt to
> use a single issue campaign as a pivot for other political questions.
>
> There are some, seemingly false premises there - eg hinting at racial
> equality via more egalitarian electoral process. however, by positioning
> the electoral finance question as an element that can alter many other
> progressive concerns, seems an interesting way to galvanise serious,
> nation-wide, support - while still keeping an essentially single issue
> campaign..
> No?
>
> Cheers!
>
> ahaxxx
>
> On Mon, August 24, 2015 9:01 pm, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>>
>
>> It's all outrageous, and there's almost no answer that can be given to
>> Trump's denigration; name-calling - which he's good at - appeals to his
>> white conservative base, which is his main strength, fundamentalist
>> christians, the disenfranchised, the furious, the paranoid, etc. etc.
>>
>> - Alan, beware!
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2015, Ana Vald?s wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I agree with Alan and the very narrow gap between Trump and Hillary
>>> shows how the middle voters dissappear and the countries polarizes. In a
>>> confrontation Trump and Bernie i sadly believe Trump wins. If Clinton
>>> loses to Bernie or to Biden, of course. However I don't know the
>>> statistics about how the Black and the Hispano votes. I guess no one
>>> Hispano is going to vote for Trump but he has been
>>> careful not alienating the Blacks the same way. But his proposal of
>>> changing the Constitution and not giving the rights of citizenship to
>>> children born in the US, "the anchor baby", is outrageous against the
>>> children born from the slaves. Ana
>>>
>>>
>>> El ago 24, 2015 1:36 PM, "Alan Sondheim" <sondheim at panix.com> escribi?:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/31/the-fearful-and-the-frustr
>>> ated
>>>
>>>
>>> He's not a buffoon - he's dangerous.
>>> And to be honest, people said that about Hitler (years ago I
>>> spoke w/ survivors who said he was first perceived as a clown).
>>>
>>> - Alan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2015, BishopZ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I had not heard of the great migration, but it fits
>>> nicely into - all people want is a better life.
>>>
>>> I hear what Alan is saying, but Trump is a buffoon.
>>> That is how people
>>> see him. He has no more chance of being elected than Bernie Sanders.
>>> 538 blog has it all spelled out.
>>>
>>>
>>> General questions in the current tone of
>>> conversation:
>>>
>>>
>>> a) With this and with Dismaland, i think we should talk about eddies of
>>> distraction-like a symbolic diaspora. Hidden in the sense that we are all
>>> deluged with information. Valuable in the sense that cultures grow there.
>>>
>>>
>>> b) Was the little mermaid glitched? It may be similar in visual
>>> appearance, but that is different than the conceptual art form.
>>>
>>> c) Which is more Sensational: Banksy, Donald Trump, or Saatchi &
>>> Saatchi?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> distractified, bz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Alan Sondheim
>>> <sondheim at panix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What's frightening here, Trump wanting
>>> to get rid of 11 million people, not to mention their children. To do
>>> what? Gather at the Wall? Put them in
>>> camps? The U.S. hasn't even had a conversation about taking in refugees,
>>> given the violence here to come. Trump reminds me of Hitler, threats
>>> both veiled and unveiled, it's always THEM THEM THEM and he's pulling in
>>> record crowds with this kind of garbage. He's only 6 points behind
>>> Hilary, who's
>>> also weak because of the constant email scandal...
>>>
>>> - Alan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015, Johannes Birringer
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hello
>>>
>>> different news corridor where I am at the moment in Europe;
>>>
>>>
>>> last week we were told UK government wants to close euro tunnel and block
>>> any and all refugees from entering the UK.?  Thousands are currently
>>> in camps at Calais.
>>>
>>> then we heard two days ago of the destiny of archaeologist Khaled Asaad.
>>>
>>>
>>> Islamischer Staat Ein
>>> bestialischer Mord Die Dschihadisten des IS
>>> haben in Palmyra den syrischen Arch?ologen Khaled Asaad ermordet. Der
>>> 82-J?hrige hatte ein halbes
>>> Jahrhundert lang die
>>> Ruinenstadt erforscht.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [
>>> http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/islamischer-staat-ein-bestial
>>> isc her-mord-13758844.html ]
>>>
>>>
>>> the refugee and migration dilemma are on everyone's mind, and I wonder
>>> what others here think??  have you heard the predictions for the great
>>> migration? how do you think the administrations of countries and
>>> communities will respond?
>>>
>>> regards Johannes Birringer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: dave miller
>>> <dave.miller.uk at gmail.com<mailto:dave.miller.uk at gmail.com>>
>>> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for
>>> networked distributed creativity
>>> <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>>
>>> Date: Saturday, August 22,
>>> 2015 at 3:24 PM
>>> To: NetBehaviour for
>>> networked distributed creativity
>>> <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour]
>>> banksy dismaland
>>>
>>>
>>> I've only read the guardian
>>> article but I like the idea. A ghastly theme
>>> park to suit the age of austerity and misery and Tory rule. I must try to
>>> go. An entry to anarchism? I
>>> hope it is. I dont understand why damien hirst and his bunch are involved
>>> though.
>>>
>>> On 22 Aug 2015 21:15, "Alan
>>> Sondheim"
>>> <sondheim at panix.com<mailto:sondheim at panix.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> it sounds terrific and perfect and J.G.Ballard - would love to see it. I
>>> imagine it's something like Rhode Island -
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015, James
>>> Morris wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> any thoughts? good? a good thing? bad? bad in a good way? or just
>>> indifferent.
>>>
>>> saw on ch4 news one of the artists had never been an artist before, this
>>> alongside such giants as everyone's favourite: damien hirst.
>>>
>>> if damien's there, maybe tracy should be too, but i would like to offer
>>> another solutionm, tracy could come back to her home town and collect
>>> rubbish off the streets - discarded matresses, crt monitors, sofas - that
>>>  people can't be bothered to take to the tip - and perhaps rejuvinate
>>> these items into works of art?
>>>
>>> oh sorry. back to dismaland, i would be tempted to visit if it was less
>>> inconvenient, ie, it was just down the road so i didn't have to venture
>>> out of thanet. it's only open for 5 weeks.
>>>
>>> there you are then, that's the sum total of my dismal thoughts toward
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