[NetBehaviour] For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities

Alan Sondheim sondheim at panix.com
Wed Aug 26 04:44:43 CEST 2015

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, Bj?rn Magnhild?en wrote:

> a heap is one of the most stable structures.

not really, they form interesting studies I think in catastrophe theory! 
the first altered mocap piece I ever did was at WVU; it was a short video 
called 'heap' and involved tossing the sensor cables into a pile on the 
floor and recording the results of the figure distortion -

> anyway, reading the jungle of ideas in the text and discussion, though
> heavy and depressing  in parts, but considering the state of the world
> at large, and as a state, it's likely to the point, but disquieting to
> the bone.

yes, the world seems disquieting, a good word to describe things...

thanks!, Alan

> On 8/25/15, none <aha at aharonic.net> wrote:
>> Cheers for sharing the reflections, Alan.
>> Will limit for a few points of possible more general interest:
>> Clutters.
>> Etymologically, there is a link to heaps. By dictionary meanings, there is
>> a collection link. Agree it can be taken as an archive/data-base where it
>> is not.
>> However, staying with heaps, and heap making - eg throw a bunch of stuff
>> to form a heap - might point towards a question of How clutters, or a
>> given clutter might operate?
>> From digital environments perspective, a clutter can be said to be
>> "spaghetti code", no? Or perhaps something that might seem like clutter,
>> like when one goes into a jungle for the 1st time, or hears an utterly
>> unknown language - everything seems to jumble, to be a clutter - yet for a
>> trained eye or mind, there are clear and uncluttered patterns..
>> In terms of online life, with clusters and networks, do we have online
>> Heaps/Clutters?
>> B Latour talks about Compositionism, as a sort of network actors'
>> arrangement and rearrangements. I wonder whether in fact these
>> compositions - and indeed being oriented around them - is not actually
>> resting upon time based clutters that came together sequentially rather
>> than causally, and are then being subjected to a process of entraining by
>> a pattern seeking/making human mind? (a mind that can make patterns in a
>> jungle..?)
>> A recent(ish) review of a Wendy Chun text to do with code, language and
>> physicality - e.g. that of machines.
>> http://www.publicseminar.org/2015/07/wendy-chun-on-software-and-the-machine/
>> However there are also links there to the machinery of capitalism, which
>> might sort of be connected with the questions to do with socio economic
>> and environmental questions?
>> Cheers and all the bests!
>> aharone
>> xx
>>  Perhaps interesting in terms of offering a
>> On Tue, August 25, 2015 1:34 am, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>>> Thanks!, Comments below -
>>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2015, none wrote:
>>>> A few pre noting notes:
>>>> Hopefully something might be relevant here. Not entirely comprehending
>>>> the context apart from - giving a talk.(??)
>>> Giving a talk, which will skitter across the notes; I've never been able
>>> to "read" a talk, or even write one.
>>>> However, I did do that silly human thing of checking for a pattern, and
>>>>  staying with it. Perhaps it could be more riveting to read from and
>>>> out such patterns..? I'd do in a personal text, not someone else's..
>>>> Which
>>>> kind of takes us right into the pattern/thread that seems to Be..(?)
>>> There are patterns, cross references; I think a major trope for me is
>>> entanglement, maybe Buddhist depending-arising.
>>>> The focus seems to be of examples to do with mashing edges and
>>>> totalities of stuff.
>>> And problematizing edges and totalities, as well as structures within and
>>>  without boundaries and totalities.
>>>> In a sense, without having the totality, the edges might be well
>>>> hidden, and by focusing on such endings of things - they seem to require
>>>> a perception oriented in absolutes.
>>> Which is where the idea of blankness comes in, endings are always
>>> problematized, at this point even in cosmology.
>>>> (An absolutive oriented programming..? ;) )
>>>> It seems to have a territorial oriented perception - of spaces,
>>>> endings, and edges. These corners are being put together, brought
>>>> together as a sort of collage(??). I think am trying to say that each
>>>> action of bringing these edges together - perhaps a Surge in the Notes'
>>>> own vocabulary - has a unique collection of these ends.
>>> The Surge references the overcoming of all (scientific, biological, etc.)
>>>  knowledge, as such grows exponentially. The corners are always a
>>> melange, abject, as far as culture's concerned. I wouldn't think of
>>> collection (which implies data-bases, etc., and some degree of
>>> exactitude), so much as collectivities.
>>>> Hence, it seems that each note can be an example - or Is an example(??)
>>>> -
>>>> of an edges surge. Here are a few examples:
>>>> When speaking of life and death (in virtual worlds), it seems to take
>>>> these as binary objects, oppose to one another - hence by putting them
>>>> together, the edges become apparent. (this perception is based on
>>>> language of "death and "life", rather than a softer focus such as a
>>>> process of living, etc..)
>>> Life and death in vr is always a question of representation, as well as
>>> the death of software (or users) itself - for example, the 'body bags' in
>>> many of the MOOs which were abandoned as their subcribers went elsewhere.
>>> It _is_ always a question of process, but in the real world, death is a
>>> finality, and how does one represent this? Think about it? How can death
>>> and pain, in this regard, be represented, without turning to cartoon
>>> images, etc.?
>>>> Dance/movement as a practice that brings together the virtual and the
>>>> physical realities. Or the sense of them. Again there is a sense of
>>>> edges coming together to form a new element/thing.
>>> When one of my avatars moves in, say, Second Life, it's movement is
>>> almost always a movement translated from physical dance, physical
>>> dancers,
>>> using software and topological remappings in mocap. But I'm always aware
>>> of the physicality involved, even in virtual worlds - there's a kind of
>>> trail of flesh...
>>>> Glitches - visuals(?? I assume here that we talk of visual ones, could
>>>> be all sorts though..) that are made when an edge of code meets an edge
>>>> of electronic/electric element/s.
>>> Visual, but also crashes, logging-out of users, etc.
>>>> Language and its entangled limits. (i am not sure how this terminology
>>>> operates. however, in my mind, this seems to be of a linked nature with
>>>> the sense of digital/virtual - often used with a language for its
>>>> program - and its intrinsically linked edge - ie. the materiality of a
>>>> device/network line, body, etc..)
>>> Yes, here -
>>>> The surge ofcourse is an absolute, and ISIS offers a new
>>>> absolutativeness. In a sense, ISIS is a sort of an embodied surge,
>>>> bringing together the ends of terroristic perception meshed with an
>>>> abosolutist historical perception, and statist/nationalistic edges,
>>>> coming from breaks and breaking the Sykes/Picot borders and colonial
>>>> assumptions - all occurring at the edges of deserts which meet fertile
>>>> lands.
>>> The surge is two-fold, the absolute, but also the growth of knowledge -
>>> and the tension or torsion between the two regions -
>>>> (Perhaps ISIS should be declared a Sondheim performance gone a bit
>>>> glitchy..?)
>>> Would NEVER want to be associated that way! :-)
>>>> I could go on with examples, including the sense of elements going
>>>> Wrong -
>>>> ie breaking and by default new corners come together to form a
>>>> malfunction sense? (again, wrongness might require a sense of
>>>> totality..) Clutter as sense of things coming together, focusing on the
>>>> perceptions that rise via the sort of new body that comes out..?
>>> Clutter also as something which can't be mapped, which escapes mapping...
>>>> In that sense, - new body that comes out - I thought that perhaps the
>>>> terror algorithm was/is a bit illustrative..? Almost decorative as such?
>>>>  Just wonder how it might be if it was a terror oriented programming
>>>> language.. Or even much more interesting, I think, a terror calculus -
>>>> hence allowing new terror formations to be..?
>>> There is a terror calculus, I think, which is the 0/1 section of the text
>>>  - it leads nowhere, only to collapse and absolutist division.
>>>> Also, talk of computer kind of languages.. Perl and language, and human
>>>>  language.. Perhaps there could be a perl for camels? A perl that
>>>> perhaps is a camel? Or camel oriented? Might be a perl that's hardly
>>>> thirsty? Or a perl that is for deserts?
>>>> Hey.. Hope this somehow assists in something - or some process - been a
>>>>  pleasure to delve into! :) Many THANKS for sharing, Alan!
>>> Thank you so much for the close reading; as i said it's really useful,
>>> it's rare to have such feedback, and I'll use it at the talk.
>>> Cheers, and best!
>>> Alan
>>>> Cheers and ciaos!
>>>> ahanonexx(??)
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