[NetBehaviour] dismal news

Johannes Birringer Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk
Thu Aug 27 23:53:08 CEST 2015


dear BishopZ
you have not heard of the thousands and millions of refugees and migrants who are flooding into northwest Europe from the middle east, africa, and the balkans (e.g. Kosovo) ? there are more than 1.5. million
refugees alone trying to leave Syria and Iraq. Have you heard of refugee camps being attacked by right wing radicals, who fought police in east germany last week, and the turmoil at the camps in Calais?

strangely, philosophers are writing their comments, and today V. Agamben published an interview calling for "Europe must collapse" and suggesting a new refuge or exit policy, that he calls 'désoeuvrement' or 'inoperositá' 
(destitution or deactivation of the economy, the law, biology). I have not really a clear idea what that means, but the examples given are the Fransiccan monks and the idea of withdrawal to poverty and automomy in a cloister. 
I do not know how this connects to the US election campaign, sorry.


regards
Johannes Birringer


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Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] dismal news

I agree with Alan and the very narrow gap between Trump and Hillary shows how the middle voters dissappear and the countries polarizes.
In a confrontation Trump and Bernie i sadly believe Trump wins.
If Clinton loses to Bernie or to Biden, of course.
However I don't know the statistics about how the Black and the Hispano votes. I guess no one Hispano is going to vote for Trump but he has been careful not alienating the Blacks the same way.
But his proposal of changing the Constitution and not giving the rights of citizenship to children born in the US, "the anchor baby", is outrageous against the children born from the slaves.
Ana

El ago 24, 2015 1:36 PM, "Alan Sondheim" <sondheim at panix.com<mailto:sondheim at panix.com>> escribió:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/31/the-fearful-and-the-frustrated

He's not a buffoon - he's dangerous.
And to be honest, people said that about Hitler (years ago I spoke w/ survivors who said he was first perceived as a clown).

- Alan

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015, BishopZ wrote:

I had not heard of the great migration, but it fits nicely into - all
people want is a better life.

I hear what Alan is saying, but Trump is a buffoon. That is how people
see him. He has no more chance of being elected than Bernie Sanders.
538 blog has it all spelled out.

General questions in the current tone of conversation:

a) With this and with Dismaland, i think we should talk about eddies
of distraction-like a symbolic diaspora. Hidden in the sense that we
are all deluged with information. Valuable in the sense that cultures
grow there.

b) Was the little mermaid glitched? It may be similar in visual
appearance, but that is different than the conceptual art form.

c) Which is more Sensational: Banksy, Donald Trump, or Saatchi & Saatchi?


distractified, bz






On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com<mailto:sondheim at panix.com>> wrote:


What's frightening here, Trump wanting to get rid of 11 million people, not
to mention their children. To do what? Gather at the Wall? Put them in
camps? The U.S. hasn't even had a conversation about taking in refugees,
given the violence here to come. Trump reminds me of Hitler, threats both
veiled and unveiled, it's always THEM THEM THEM and he's pulling in record
crowds with this kind of garbage. He's only 6 points behind Hilary, who's
also weak because of the constant email scandal...

- Alan

On Sat, 22 Aug 2015, Johannes Birringer wrote:


hello

different news corridor where I am at the moment in Europe;

last week we were told UK government wants to close euro tunnel and
block any and all refugees from entering the UK.  Thousands are currently
in camps at Calais.

then we heard two days ago of the destiny of archaeologist Khaled Asaad.


Islamischer Staat Ein bestialischer Mord
Die Dschihadisten des IS haben in Palmyra den syrischen Arch?ologen Khaled
Asaad ermordet. Der 82-J?hrige hatte ein halbes Jahrhundert lang die
Ruinenstadt erforscht.


[
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/islamischer-staat-ein-bestialischer-mord-13758844.html
]

the refugee and migration dilemma are on everyone's mind, and I wonder
what others here think?  have you heard the predictions for the great
migration?
how do you think the administrations of countries and communities will
respond?

regards
Johannes Birringer




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From: dave miller
<dave.miller.uk at gmail.com<mailto:dave.miller.uk at gmail.com><mailto:dave.miller.uk at gmail.com<mailto:dave.miller.uk at gmail.com>>>
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Date: Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 3:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] banksy dismaland


I've only read the guardian article but I like the idea. A ghastly theme
park to suit the age of austerity and misery and Tory rule. I must try to
go.
An entry to anarchism? I hope it is. I dont understand why damien hirst
and his bunch are involved though.

On 22 Aug 2015 21:15, "Alan Sondheim"
<sondheim at panix.com<mailto:sondheim at panix.com><mailto:sondheim at panix.com<mailto:sondheim at panix.com>>> wrote:

it sounds terrific and perfect and J.G.Ballard - would love to see it. I
imagine it's something like Rhode Island -

On Sat, 22 Aug 2015, James Morris wrote:

any thoughts?
good? a good thing? bad? bad in a good way? or just indifferent.

saw on ch4 news one of the artists had never been an artist before, this
alongside such giants as everyone's favourite: damien hirst.

if damien's there, maybe tracy should be too, but i would like to offer
another solutionm, tracy could come back to her home town and collect
rubbish off the streets - discarded matresses, crt monitors, sofas - that
people can't be bothered to take to the tip - and perhaps rejuvinate these
items into works of art?

oh sorry. back to dismaland, i would be tempted to visit if it was less
inconvenient, ie, it was just down the road so i didn't have to venture out
of thanet. it's only open for 5 weeks.

there you are then, that's the sum total of my dismal thoughts toward
dismaland.
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