[NetBehaviour] dismal news

Alan Sondheim sondheim at panix.com
Fri Aug 28 03:19:48 CEST 2015


which in a weird way is why I hate theory - sure the whole economy is 
going towards Franciscan, everyone will wise up, I don't know how this 
connects to anything but I don't know how Zizek connects to anything, all 
this theory, people being slaughtered in the meantime -

- Alan, if you do get more insight into Agamben please publish, thanks

On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Johannes Birringer wrote:

>
> dear BishopZ you have not heard of the thousands and millions of 
> refugees and migrants who are flooding into northwest Europe from the 
> middle east, africa, and the balkans (e.g. Kosovo) ? there are more than 
> 1.5. million refugees alone trying to leave Syria and Iraq. Have you 
> heard of refugee camps being attacked by right wing radicals, who fought 
> police in east germany last week, and the turmoil at the camps in 
> Calais?
>
> strangely, philosophers are writing their comments, and today V. Agamben 
> published an interview calling for "Europe must collapse" and suggesting 
> a new refuge or exit policy, that he calls 'd?soeuvrement' or 
> 'inoperosit?' (destitution or deactivation of the economy, the law, 
> biology). I have not really a clear idea what that means, but the 
> examples given are the Fransiccan monks and the idea of withdrawal to 
> poverty and automomy in a cloister. I do not know how this connects to 
> the US election campaign, sorry.
>
>
> regards
> Johannes Birringer
>
>
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> From: netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org [netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Ana Vald?s [agora158 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 5:45 PM
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] dismal news
>
> I agree with Alan and the very narrow gap between Trump and Hillary shows how the middle voters dissappear and the countries polarizes.
> In a confrontation Trump and Bernie i sadly believe Trump wins.
> If Clinton loses to Bernie or to Biden, of course.
> However I don't know the statistics about how the Black and the Hispano votes. I guess no one Hispano is going to vote for Trump but he has been careful not alienating the Blacks the same way.
> But his proposal of changing the Constitution and not giving the rights of citizenship to children born in the US, "the anchor baby", is outrageous against the children born from the slaves.
> Ana
>
> El ago 24, 2015 1:36 PM, "Alan Sondheim" <sondheim at panix.com<mailto:sondheim at panix.com>> escribi?:
>
> http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/31/the-fearful-and-the-frustrated
>
> He's not a buffoon - he's dangerous.
> And to be honest, people said that about Hitler (years ago I spoke w/ survivors who said he was first perceived as a clown).
>
> - Alan
>
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2015, BishopZ wrote:
>
> I had not heard of the great migration, but it fits nicely into - all
> people want is a better life.
>
> I hear what Alan is saying, but Trump is a buffoon. That is how people
> see him. He has no more chance of being elected than Bernie Sanders.
> 538 blog has it all spelled out.
>
> General questions in the current tone of conversation:
>
> a) With this and with Dismaland, i think we should talk about eddies
> of distraction-like a symbolic diaspora. Hidden in the sense that we
> are all deluged with information. Valuable in the sense that cultures
> grow there.
>
> b) Was the little mermaid glitched? It may be similar in visual
> appearance, but that is different than the conceptual art form.
>
> c) Which is more Sensational: Banksy, Donald Trump, or Saatchi & Saatchi?
>
>
> distractified, bz
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com<mailto:sondheim at panix.com>> wrote:
>
>
> What's frightening here, Trump wanting to get rid of 11 million people, not
> to mention their children. To do what? Gather at the Wall? Put them in
> camps? The U.S. hasn't even had a conversation about taking in refugees,
> given the violence here to come. Trump reminds me of Hitler, threats both
> veiled and unveiled, it's always THEM THEM THEM and he's pulling in record
> crowds with this kind of garbage. He's only 6 points behind Hilary, who's
> also weak because of the constant email scandal...
>
> - Alan
>
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015, Johannes Birringer wrote:
>
>
> hello
>
> different news corridor where I am at the moment in Europe;
>
> last week we were told UK government wants to close euro tunnel and
> block any and all refugees from entering the UK.  Thousands are currently
> in camps at Calais.
>
> then we heard two days ago of the destiny of archaeologist Khaled Asaad.
>
>
> Islamischer Staat Ein bestialischer Mord
> Die Dschihadisten des IS haben in Palmyra den syrischen Arch?ologen Khaled
> Asaad ermordet. Der 82-J?hrige hatte ein halbes Jahrhundert lang die
> Ruinenstadt erforscht.
>
>
> [
> http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/islamischer-staat-ein-bestialischer-mord-13758844.html
> ]
>
> the refugee and migration dilemma are on everyone's mind, and I wonder
> what others here think?  have you heard the predictions for the great
> migration?
> how do you think the administrations of countries and communities will
> respond?
>
> regards
> Johannes Birringer
>
>
>
>
> ++
>
>
>
> From: dave miller
> <dave.miller.uk at gmail.com<mailto:dave.miller.uk at gmail.com><mailto:dave.miller.uk at gmail.com<mailto:dave.miller.uk at gmail.com>>>
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> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 3:24 PM
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> <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org><mailto:netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>>>
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] banksy dismaland
>
>
> I've only read the guardian article but I like the idea. A ghastly theme
> park to suit the age of austerity and misery and Tory rule. I must try to
> go.
> An entry to anarchism? I hope it is. I dont understand why damien hirst
> and his bunch are involved though.
>
> On 22 Aug 2015 21:15, "Alan Sondheim"
> <sondheim at panix.com<mailto:sondheim at panix.com><mailto:sondheim at panix.com<mailto:sondheim at panix.com>>> wrote:
>
> it sounds terrific and perfect and J.G.Ballard - would love to see it. I
> imagine it's something like Rhode Island -
>
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015, James Morris wrote:
>
> any thoughts?
> good? a good thing? bad? bad in a good way? or just indifferent.
>
> saw on ch4 news one of the artists had never been an artist before, this
> alongside such giants as everyone's favourite: damien hirst.
>
> if damien's there, maybe tracy should be too, but i would like to offer
> another solutionm, tracy could come back to her home town and collect
> rubbish off the streets - discarded matresses, crt monitors, sofas - that
> people can't be bothered to take to the tip - and perhaps rejuvinate these
> items into works of art?
>
> oh sorry. back to dismaland, i would be tempted to visit if it was less
> inconvenient, ie, it was just down the road so i didn't have to venture out
> of thanet. it's only open for 5 weeks.
>
> there you are then, that's the sum total of my dismal thoughts toward
> dismaland.
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