[NetBehaviour] dismal news: After the Last Sky

Ana Valdés agora158 at gmail.com
Sun Aug 30 23:04:19 CEST 2015


Johannes I am born in a very young country, it became independent 1825. No
indigenous population no slaves no gold no silver, only cattle roaming free
in the vast greens. Uruguay is a little country in Latinamerican terms but
it's quite average in European terms, Belgium and the  Netherlands can fit
here.
But we have only three million inhabitants and among the lowest birth rates
in the world. My point is where did those three million come in almost two
houndred years? They were European, they were Spanish, Italian, Germans,
French, Yugoslavs, Turks and Libanese, Greek and Poles, English and
Armenian. How many inhabited forests exist in Germany, the Nordic
countries, Greece, and other European countries? How much unused land?
The small villages in Sweden, France and Italy, Spain and Portugal are
almost empty, the houses desert, the young ppl go to the cities to seek job
and education.
Maybe the alternative now is a new Rennaisance for the agriculture in
Europe, making space for all those ppl who are mostly rural ppl, who has
been working in their lands for centuries.
But the real question is: who are those displaced people?
They are the collateral damage of the casino capitalism we are living
under, a system so ruthless and soulless, it seems created by the Devil.
For some years ago we had the debate around the Tobin tax, a proposed tax
to every financial transaction. Let the bankers and the weapon dealers, the
only profiting of these inhuman traffic and for the wars and for the
exploiting of the ppl ancestral rivalries and conflictis.
We must be prepared to see a dramatic change in our world, but the only
alternative is to share and to accept our "way of life" of spending the
planet's resources and creating a class of wealthy parasites sitting on
their money and living in luxury and indifference, its not longer viable.
Ana


On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Johannes Birringer <
Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk> wrote:

> dear all
>
> this could be a complex conversation, if opened up to those, especially,
> who are concerned in fact,
> but cannot access this  network  No refugees are posting here. yes?
>
>
> so what are we discussing?   I am sorry i brought it up,  as we are
> fumbling, obviously.
>
> The refugee question, I think, for most of us here is not autobiographical
> as such.
>
>
> The feelgood reports, Ruth, are marginal, and disorienting. I do not
> really think they meet the reality. The  Jasmina Tesanovic blog, Ana, I
> think, is sentimental, sorry, we are not "all refugees" and ex-prisoners.
> some are, like yourself, but I am not sure we can claim the slogan,
> 'nosotros somos the 70 dead people in the truck in Austria.'   We cannot,
> and thus we should not pretend. And we quiet.
>
>
> it would be silly. too many have died, and drowned.
>
> The refugees and migrants, expected to arrive, for example, in the Federal
> Republic of Germany this year  in  2015, are 800,000.   Eight hundred
> thousand.
>
> You speak of 65 in Uruguay?
>
>
> Already, at the small village next to mine, in the southwest of Germany
> (Saarland), the camp for the arrived migrants has spilled over, the
> situation may soon become unmanageable;  there is lack of food, medicine,
> hospitality funds, toilets, clothes, and psychological care, etc.  How do
> you care for people who have fled wars?   displacement, rape and all kinds
> of violence, aggression, humiliation?
>
> There is no unrest, or violence, as in other areas, in Lebach, the village
> next door , and I am relieved about about that,  but volunteer help is
> stretched,  and there are only 1865 migrants,  in that small village.
> the village as 12, 500 inhabitants,
>
> In Germany, the political opinion tends to suggest that migration (the
> hundreds of thousands) can be managed.  Why does the Uk not think the same,
> or France?  Hungary? Austria?   Greece has many refugees arrive on their
> islands!  and you recall that Greece was in the news all  through the
> summer. Their citizens try to help. I applaud that.
> and also my neighborhood village. They are courageous.
>
> so how will we discuss the great migration, the new racism and resentment
> towards foreigners, the political debates, the closing of borders, tunnels?
>
> how do we discuss (what the financial newspaper columns report) the trade
> of human refugees, the coyotes apparently charging 12,000 Euros if you flee
> from Syria  to Germany or Belgium,:
>
>  the 16 billion euros of human body smuggle that coyotes earned in
> 2014-15:     1,2  million refugees, they pay for their transport, and
> average charge for  being smuggled through to Northern Europe is 12,000
> Euros?  so the economics of human trade is 1,2 billion>? (that was the
> figure quoted in FAZ, 29 August page 19,  economics section ("Die
> gefaehrlichste Reiseroute der Welt").
>
> how do yoi think about these figures?
>
>
> regards
> Johannes Birringer
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org [
> netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Ana Valdés [
> agora158 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 4:42 PM
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] dismal news
>
> Thanks Ruth! Actually Uruguay has taken 65 Syrian refugees and six former
> prisoners from Guantanamo, in a country with 3 million inhabitants they
> make a difference.
> Ana
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:35 AM, ruth catlow <ruth.catlow at furtherfield.org
> <mailto:ruth.catlow at furtherfield.org>> wrote:
> Thank you Ana and Michael for your testimonies and observations.
>
> I just saw this
> http://globalvoicesonline.org/2015/08/25/everyday-people-put-solidarity-into-action-helping-refugees-in-greece/
> about action on the ground in response to the refugees.
>
> We desperately need political solutions AND it's very valuable to have
> evidence of the many different ways that people find to act in dignity and
> in straightforward solidarity with each other.
>
> cheers
> Ruth
>
>
> On 28/08/15 18:07, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
> Absolutely - I  don't think it's a male female thing though. Racist
> scapegoating is a very convenient way of distracting people and dividing
> them.
> I hope it's clear, Ana, that my first e mail meant exactly what it said -
> we should open the borders -there is enough money to wage imperialist wars,
> enough money for obscene bonuses for bankers, so there is enough money to
> feed, clothe house , educate and keep healthy both established inhabitants
> and newcomers...
> cheers
> michael
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com><mailto:agora158 at gmail.com>
> To: Michael Szpakowski <szpako at yahoo.com><mailto:szpako at yahoo.com>;
> NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <
> netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org><mailto:netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] dismal news
>
> I has been a refugee for many years. I spent four years in jail for
> political reasons (was member of a gerilla group, Tupamaros) and was
> deported to Sweden in 1978. The Swedes paid me one year study of the
> language and gave me an apt to rent. After one year I was on my own, got a
> job as a teacher and started a publisher house with some friends. I became
> a writer and an anthropologist, paid my taxes and never more needed any
> support.
> Four years ago I moved back to Uruguay, tired and disapointed seeing a
> xenophobe party rise. Today this party is the most popular party among men.
> Their discourse is very similar to Trump's discourse in the US. And he is
> popular among men. Why? Is that because the men are in control in the most
> countries in the world (Angela Merkel is an exception) and feel themselves
> treated by all those hundreds of thousands refugees fleeing Syria,
> Afganistan and Africa?
> The colonization of the whole world by Europeans has shaped the modern
> world, at the beginning of the 20th century the whole Africa was owned by
> Germany, England, France, Spain and Belgium. The slaves, stolen from Africa
> since the 16th century, built the wealth of Europa, Latinamerica and the
> US. Africa was emptied of resources and ppl for several generations and
> centuries. Why is so difficult to understand they want their fair share of
> the wealth and welfare their ancestors paid with sweat and blood?
>
> James Petras, a respected scholar, wrote about the Imperial Wars,
> http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-age-of-imperial-wars/5470957
> thats the imperial wars which are making the planet an unsure place to
> live for the most of us.
>
> Another important article was written by my friend the Serbian writer
> Jasmina Tesanovic, married with Bruce Sterling,
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jasmina-tesanovic/we-are-all-refugees_b_8015152.html
>
> I am the grandchild of European Spaniards and Italians fleeing the poverty
> in Europe at the end of the 19th century. They were welcomed in North and
> South America as working craft and fellow human in distress, why should not
> Europe open the borders now? It's their historic guilt.
>
> Ana
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Michael Szpakowski <szpako at yahoo.com
> <mailto:szpako at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Yes - the only philosophy we need on this, though, is "open the borders,
> let them in!"
> michael
>
> ________________________________
> From: Kath O'Donnell <aliak77 at gmail.com<mailto:aliak77 at gmail.com>>
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <
> netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>>
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 3:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] dismal news
>
> it's shocking to hear of so many people fleeing Syria and other countries.
> what kind of world is this where they are turned away.
> meanwhile in Australia, our borders are shamefully, effectively closed to
> refugees, our prime minister is now considering supporting US with air
> strikes in Syria and his 'border force' team are planning on checking
> everyone's visas in Melbourne CBD on the weekend. it's like they think
> we're in 1939 Germany or something.
> I hope something can be done to help the refugees. it seems like a forced
> population shift is going on atm
> I haven't read the philosophers' take on it all.
>
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/23/tony-abbott-to-decide-on-joining-fight-against-islamic-state-after-us-talks
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-28/border-force-to-check-visas-on-the-streets-of-melbourne/6732086
>
>
>
> On 28 August 2015 at 11:19, Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com<mailto:
> sondheim at panix.com>> wrote:
>
> which in a weird way is why I hate theory - sure the whole economy is
> going towards Franciscan, everyone will wise up, I don't know how this
> connects to anything but I don't know how Zizek connects to anything, all
> this theory, people being slaughtered in the meantime -
>
> - Alan, if you do get more insight into Agamben please publish, thanks
>
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Johannes Birringer wrote:
>
>
> dear BishopZ you have not heard of the thousands and millions of refugees
> and migrants who are flooding into northwest Europe from the middle east,
> africa, and the balkans (e.g. Kosovo) ? there are more than 1.5. million
> refugees alone trying to leave Syria and Iraq. Have you heard of refugee
> camps being attacked by right wing radicals, who fought police in east
> germany last week, and the turmoil at the camps in Calais?
>
> strangely, philosophers are writing their comments, and today V. Agamben
> published an interview calling for "Europe must collapse" and suggesting a
> new refuge or exit policy, that he calls 'd?soeuvrement' or 'inoperosit?'
> (destitution or deactivation of the economy, the law, biology). I have not
> really a clear idea what that means, but the examples given are the
> Fransiccan monks and the idea of withdrawal to poverty and automomy in a
> cloister. I do not know how this connects to the US election campaign,
> sorry.
>
>
> regards
> Johannes Birringer
>
> [snip]
>
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