[NetBehaviour] Deleuze and Pinterest

Mon Jun 22 03:47:33 CEST 2015

I do have an account; I rarely use it, but it worked well. Re: Tiqqun, I 
didn't like the Young Girl piece - thought it needed more depth, 
abjection, less fashion, but it was a start. The problem w/suffering in 
fashion (I've known a lot of people in the industry) is that the suffering 
is also within fashiion; it's a closed chaotic system.

Rationality is so tricky, I think; it can reference so many things. Please 
say more re: Virilio?

Thanks!, Alan

On Sun, 21 Jun 2015, BishopZ wrote:

> 1) Alan, thank you so much for the response. Keep well, we need you.
>
> 2) Yes, there is too much fuzziness in my post, I need to break it out
> into separate questions.
>
> 3) I like Tiqquan's other work quite a lot. I read Theory of a Young
> Girl and was not sure what to make of it. Will review it again.
>
> 4) Based on recently posted podcast, I have been working through
> Adorno. So, yes, abject suffering, problematic and abject substance -
> but I still struggle to translate into images. I need to study it a
> bit more. There is so much suffering in fashion...
>
> 5) My essay attempts to paint rationality as the context, with formal
> Aristotelian logic, images and others as merely unique kinds of
> rationality. The essay doesn't provide a foundation for how
> rationality adjudicates, but rather than a Russell/Whitehead position,
> I would ground rationality in persuasion and action, like Virilio
> might.
>
> 6) How did you experience the boards? Do you have a pinterest account?
> Lets start there.
>
> In appreciation,
> Bz
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> Apologies, fuzzy, meant Philosophical Investigations, I jumped for some
>> reason to Husserl, bleariness my only excuse - Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 21 Jun 2015, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> From: BishopZ <xchicago at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Hi Bishop - I found the pinterest boards fascinating; there seemed to be
>>> two things at work in them - in the first, bwo, the representations seemed
>>> to emphasize multiplicities and a certain surplus economics; for me, bwo
>>> relate more to ISIS/terror, annihilation to the point that what's left is a
>>> form of problematic and abject substance, which also ties into catatonia.
>>> The style-a-desire-machine plays into the images of young models, again, a
>>> surplus, and the style itself doesn't seem deconstructed - you know the
>>> book, Preliminary Materials for a Theory of the Young-Girl - which also
>>> seems limited and problematic and on the other hand related to the pinterest
>>> images. The theory/essay you wrote seems terrific; I have to read it again
>>> (I'm suffering from a very resistant sickness at the moment, apologies), in
>>> a couple of days. I do realize I may be missing something here -
>>>
>>> I can see a _return to logic_ with programming, but the field of logic
>>> itself has been traditionally messy - fuzzy logics, intuitionist logics,
>>> Piaget's proposotional logics, etc - to the extent that even in Witt's TLP,
>>> the logical system based on the sheffer stroke has an enormous amount of
>>> arbitrariness in it that led to the Logical Investigations, which have very
>>> little to do w/ traditional logic. So when you have "However, up until the
>>> last 20 years, logic has been the anchor of written language. The hegemony
>>> of logic is not that written language is better than other mediums of
>>> expression, but that logic was the most accurate form of rationality.
>>> Written language just happened to be better at logic than speech." - I don't
>>> see it, because I'm not sure what "logic" means in this context - the
>>> Russell/Whitehead approach proved inadeqate by the early decades of the 20th
>>> century w/ all those anomalies. I haven't seen logic used otherwise, maybe
>>> in Quine on quotations, I don't know; in any case the Aristotelian stuff was
>>> thrown out way earlier. I hope I'm making sense here. Now of course one can
>>> talk about the logic of a computer program and even its surface layers
>>> (upper layers of protocol suites where pretty much anything and anyone can
>>> go), and that gives an insight into what might be thought of as a dark
>>> scaffolding which is of great interest, that might even be able to be
>>> related to early universe cosmology, but I'm probably wrong here -
>>>
>>> thanks! Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alan correctly called me out a few conversations ago - I am an arm
>>> chair Deleuze interpreter.
>>>
>>> I am interested in difference between image logic, spoken logic and
>>> written logic. I published an essay about it here:
>>> http://bishopz.com/post/7606423793/language-and-computers
>>>
>>> I put together two boards that relate to Deleuze.
>>>
>>> One I believe relates to the original concept,
>>> the other I believe to be a conflation of the intent of the original
>>> concept,
>>>
>>> Body Without Organs:
>>> https://www.pinterest.com/eduatx/style-body-without-organs/
>>>
>>> Desire Machine:
>>> https://www.pinterest.com/eduatx/style-a-desire-machine/
>>>
>>> Does anyone have more domain knowledge with this?
>>>
>>> Can you tell me, in translating the written work of Deleuze into the
>>> image logic of contemporary society, how are those concepts expressed,
>>> visually, on medium that are commonly used?
>>>
>>> Not possible, or is there some image logic to Deleuze? He did write a
>>> book or two on film, after all.
>>>
>>> In appreciation,
>>> BishopZ
>>>
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