[NetBehaviour] Deleuze and Pinterest

Mon Jun 22 03:54:57 CEST 2015

I was wondering why I hadn't seen this... and then Pintrest attacked my
screen with login and sign-up pop-ups. I think I passed out for a short
while and then closed the windows. Sounds interesting, especially given the
extremely striated nature of Pintrest's presentation. I'd like to see how
you present Deleuzian smooth space within Pintrest. I might even create an
account to see it.

On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:47 PM Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com> wrote:

>
>
> I do have an account; I rarely use it, but it worked well. Re: Tiqqun, I
> didn't like the Young Girl piece - thought it needed more depth,
> abjection, less fashion, but it was a start. The problem w/suffering in
> fashion (I've known a lot of people in the industry) is that the suffering
> is also within fashiion; it's a closed chaotic system.
>
> Rationality is so tricky, I think; it can reference so many things. Please
> say more re: Virilio?
>
> Thanks!, Alan
>
> On Sun, 21 Jun 2015, BishopZ wrote:
>
> > 1) Alan, thank you so much for the response. Keep well, we need you.
> >
> > 2) Yes, there is too much fuzziness in my post, I need to break it out
> > into separate questions.
> >
> > 3) I like Tiqquan's other work quite a lot. I read Theory of a Young
> > Girl and was not sure what to make of it. Will review it again.
> >
> > 4) Based on recently posted podcast, I have been working through
> > Adorno. So, yes, abject suffering, problematic and abject substance -
> > but I still struggle to translate into images. I need to study it a
> > bit more. There is so much suffering in fashion...
> >
> > 5) My essay attempts to paint rationality as the context, with formal
> > Aristotelian logic, images and others as merely unique kinds of
> > rationality. The essay doesn't provide a foundation for how
> > rationality adjudicates, but rather than a Russell/Whitehead position,
> > I would ground rationality in persuasion and action, like Virilio
> > might.
> >
> > 6) How did you experience the boards? Do you have a pinterest account?
> > Lets start there.
> >
> > In appreciation,
> > Bz
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Apologies, fuzzy, meant Philosophical Investigations, I jumped for some
> >> reason to Husserl, bleariness my only excuse - Alan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, 21 Jun 2015, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> From: BishopZ <xchicago at gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Bishop - I found the pinterest boards fascinating; there seemed to
> be
> >>> two things at work in them - in the first, bwo, the representations
> seemed
> >>> to emphasize multiplicities and a certain surplus economics; for me,
> bwo
> >>> relate more to ISIS/terror, annihilation to the point that what's left
> is a
> >>> form of problematic and abject substance, which also ties into
> catatonia.
> >>> The style-a-desire-machine plays into the images of young models,
> again, a
> >>> surplus, and the style itself doesn't seem deconstructed - you know the
> >>> book, Preliminary Materials for a Theory of the Young-Girl - which also
> >>> seems limited and problematic and on the other hand related to the
> pinterest
> >>> images. The theory/essay you wrote seems terrific; I have to read it
> again
> >>> (I'm suffering from a very resistant sickness at the moment,
> apologies), in
> >>> a couple of days. I do realize I may be missing something here -
> >>>
> >>> I can see a _return to logic_ with programming, but the field of logic
> >>> itself has been traditionally messy - fuzzy logics, intuitionist
> logics,
> >>> Piaget's proposotional logics, etc - to the extent that even in Witt's
> TLP,
> >>> the logical system based on the sheffer stroke has an enormous amount
> of
> >>> arbitrariness in it that led to the Logical Investigations, which have
> very
> >>> little to do w/ traditional logic. So when you have "However, up until
> the
> >>> last 20 years, logic has been the anchor of written language. The
> hegemony
> >>> of logic is not that written language is better than other mediums of
> >>> expression, but that logic was the most accurate form of rationality.
> >>> Written language just happened to be better at logic than speech." - I
> don't
> >>> see it, because I'm not sure what "logic" means in this context - the
> >>> Russell/Whitehead approach proved inadeqate by the early decades of
> the 20th
> >>> century w/ all those anomalies. I haven't seen logic used otherwise,
> maybe
> >>> in Quine on quotations, I don't know; in any case the Aristotelian
> stuff was
> >>> thrown out way earlier. I hope I'm making sense here. Now of course
> one can
> >>> talk about the logic of a computer program and even its surface layers
> >>> (upper layers of protocol suites where pretty much anything and anyone
> can
> >>> go), and that gives an insight into what might be thought of as a dark
> >>> scaffolding which is of great interest, that might even be able to be
> >>> related to early universe cosmology, but I'm probably wrong here -
> >>>
> >>> thanks! Alan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Alan correctly called me out a few conversations ago - I am an arm
> >>> chair Deleuze interpreter.
> >>>
> >>> I am interested in difference between image logic, spoken logic and
> >>> written logic. I published an essay about it here:
> >>> http://bishopz.com/post/7606423793/language-and-computers
> >>>
> >>> I put together two boards that relate to Deleuze.
> >>>
> >>> One I believe relates to the original concept,
> >>> the other I believe to be a conflation of the intent of the original
> >>> concept,
> >>>
> >>> Body Without Organs:
> >>> https://www.pinterest.com/eduatx/style-body-without-organs/
> >>>
> >>> Desire Machine:
> >>> https://www.pinterest.com/eduatx/style-a-desire-machine/
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone have more domain knowledge with this?
> >>>
> >>> Can you tell me, in translating the written work of Deleuze into the
> >>> image logic of contemporary society, how are those concepts expressed,
> >>> visually, on medium that are commonly used?
> >>>
> >>> Not possible, or is there some image logic to Deleuze? He did write a
> >>> book or two on film, after all.
> >>>
> >>> In appreciation,
> >>> BishopZ
> >>>
> >>>
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