[NetBehaviour] The General Election
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Sun May 10 20:50:21 CEST 2015
Quoting helen varley jamieson <helen at creative-catalyst.com>:
> yup, i do agree about card deck rearrangements ...
> interesting about tory-greens in the uk, i don't think that's the case
> in nz.
I'd take the view re greens in the uk with a pinch of salt made of the
fact they are a rather sizable tent with various shades, that I
personally have more views than a political insight, and that the
focus was re brighton local greens.
> h : )
> On 9/05/15 5:51 39PM, if wrote:
>> yes - we are still 1st past post, most votes are better as paper
>> planes, kind of electoral sequences.
>> the "greens".. i live in the constituency of the 1st, only and ever
>> more popular - locally it seems - green mp. (she cares not for art &
>> culture unless its entertaining..)
>> Being green here in the uk is, imho, a bit like an environmentally
>> romantique Tory of the 19th century. A strong sense of moral duty and
>> care for the perceived "natural" while looking for ideologically
>> inspired solution within paradigms of power and capital. Indeed, if
>> the local elections are any indication to varify/falsify that
>> green-tory lineage, i noticed that when greens came to rule in
>> brighton, they did it via wards that were previously tory held. Ex
>> Cons found it rather easy to switch into greens than Labour's voters..
>> Also, local green head honcho, while sporting a cool sounding name
>> "kitkat" - is, in my view, a blairite at heart. eg - spreading tall
>> tales about local refuse cleaners' wage demands..
>> ...but am digressing...
>> I think point re voting and general elections, might be that in fact
>> they are just to do with card deck re-arrangements. Civic processes
>> from attempts to have a fearless yet melancholic life - is on going
>> regardless of any electoral outcome. No?
>> Quoting helen varley jamieson <helen at creative-catalyst.com>:
>>> does britain still have a first-past-the-post voting system? that means
>>> it's always going to be an either-or situation, the lesser of 2 evils.
>>> since nz adopted a proportional representation system in 1996, numerous
>>> small parties have had representation in parliament & currently the
>>> green party is the third largest with just over 10% (equating to 14
>>> seats in parliament).
>>> the nz system isn't perfect, & we also experienced a similar shock in
>>> the election last year when the sitting neoliberals cruised back in
>>> (this was before ponytailgate ... !!!), but at least we have a growing &
>>> viable green party to vote for, with some really good green MPs.
>>> h : )
>>> On 9/05/15 12:36 27AM, James Morris wrote:
>>>> Edward said: "If Labour had said 'We're going to look after the most
>>>> vulnerable members of society properly, and if that means putting
>>>> taxes up, we'll put taxes up' then probably they still wouldn't have
>>>> won - given the overwhelmingly right-wing slant of most press
>>>> coverage, not to mention Milliband's extreme lack of charisma as a
>>>> leader - but at least we would have had a genuine alternative to vote
>>>> for. I voted Green."
>>>> an overwhelmingly right-wing slant of the media, and an overwhelmingly
>>>> unsympathetic population. some of the shit i hear coming out of
>>>> peoples mouths is utterly depressing - the self righteous
>>>> [anti-racists amongst others] swap one set of prejudices for another.
>>>> i voted green even though i expected if i told anyone i'd be informed
>>>> it was a wasted vote, or laughed at/sneered at/looked-down-a-nose-at,
>>>> by people in my life. some people say who you vote for isn't meant to
>>>> be talked about. sometimes think i should grow the balls to say i
>>>> voted green, but have played it safe so far.
>>>> a wasted vote is a tactical vote for one party you don't want to vote
>>>> for to prevent another party you don't want to vote for, imo.
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