[NetBehaviour] The General Election

[dave miller]

Greens blame Tory majority on Labour's willingness to "accept the narrative
of its opponents"
The Green party's economic spokesperson reflects on Labour and the media's
pandering to the the Tory narrative.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/05/greens-blame-tory-majority-labours-willingness-accept-narrative-its-opponents

On 10 May 2015 at 19:50, if <aha at aharonic.net> wrote:

>
> Quoting helen varley jamieson <helen at creative-catalyst.com>:
>
>  yup, i do agree about card deck rearrangements ...
>> interesting about tory-greens in the uk, i don't think that's the case
>> in nz.
>>
>
> I'd take the view re greens in the uk with a pinch of salt made of the
> fact they are a rather sizable tent with various shades, that I personally
> have more views than a political insight, and that the focus was re
> brighton local greens.
>
> cheers!
>
> ahaxxx
>
>
>
>> h : )
>>
>> On 9/05/15 5:51 39PM, if wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> yes - we are still 1st past post, most votes are better as paper
>>> planes, kind of electoral sequences.
>>>
>>> the "greens".. i live in the constituency of the 1st, only and ever
>>> more popular - locally it seems - green mp. (she cares not for art &
>>> culture unless its entertaining..)
>>>
>>> Being green here in the uk is, imho, a bit like an environmentally
>>> romantique Tory of the 19th century. A strong sense of moral duty and
>>> care for the perceived "natural" while looking for ideologically
>>> inspired solution within paradigms of power and capital. Indeed, if
>>> the local elections are any indication to varify/falsify that
>>> green-tory lineage, i noticed that when greens came to rule in
>>> brighton, they did it via wards that were previously tory held. Ex
>>> Cons found it rather easy to switch into greens than Labour's voters..
>>> Also, local green head honcho, while sporting a cool sounding name
>>> "kitkat" - is, in my view, a blairite at heart. eg - spreading tall
>>> tales about local refuse cleaners' wage demands..
>>>
>>> ...but am digressing...
>>>
>>> I think point re voting and general elections, might be that in fact
>>> they are just to do with card deck re-arrangements. Civic processes
>>> from attempts to have a fearless yet melancholic life - is on going
>>> regardless of any electoral outcome. No?
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> xxx
>>>
>>> quitter.se/if
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting helen varley jamieson <helen at creative-catalyst.com>:
>>>
>>>  does britain still have a first-past-the-post voting system? that means
>>>> it's always going to be an either-or situation, the lesser of 2 evils.
>>>> since nz adopted a proportional representation system in 1996, numerous
>>>> small parties have had representation in parliament & currently the
>>>> green party is the third largest with just over 10% (equating to 14
>>>> seats in parliament).
>>>>
>>>> the nz system isn't perfect, & we also experienced a similar shock in
>>>> the election last year when the sitting neoliberals cruised back in
>>>> (this was before ponytailgate ... !!!), but at least we have a growing &
>>>> viable green party to vote for, with some really good green MPs.
>>>>
>>>> h : )
>>>>
>>>> On 9/05/15 12:36 27AM, James Morris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Edward said: "If Labour had said 'We're going to look after the most
>>>>> vulnerable members of society properly, and if that means putting
>>>>> taxes up, we'll put taxes up' then probably they still wouldn't have
>>>>> won - given the overwhelmingly right-wing slant of most press
>>>>> coverage, not to mention Milliband's extreme lack of charisma as a
>>>>> leader - but at least we would have had a genuine alternative to vote
>>>>> for. I voted Green."
>>>>>
>>>>> an overwhelmingly right-wing slant of the media, and an overwhelmingly
>>>>> unsympathetic population. some of the shit i hear coming out of
>>>>> peoples mouths is utterly depressing - the self righteous
>>>>> [anti-racists amongst others] swap one set of prejudices for another.
>>>>>
>>>>> i voted green even though i expected if i told anyone i'd be informed
>>>>> it was a wasted vote, or laughed at/sneered at/looked-down-a-nose-at,
>>>>> by people in my life. some people say who you vote for isn't meant to
>>>>> be talked about. sometimes think i should grow the balls to say i
>>>>> voted green, but have played it safe so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> a wasted vote is a tactical vote for one party you don't want to vote
>>>>> for to prevent another party you don't want to vote for, imo.
>>>>>
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>>>> helen varley jamieson
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>>>> http://www.creative-catalyst.com
>>>> http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net
>>>> http://www.upstage.org.nz
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>> http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net
>> http://www.upstage.org.nz
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