[NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink

ruth catlow ruth.catlow at furtherfield.org
Thu Oct 1 20:04:29 CEST 2015


Thanks Annie and Randall,

for offers to host and for your ideas and reflections.

The idea of asking a gallery visitor to join a discussion on 
Netbehaviour is provoking!

I look forward to hearing more from you Annie: )

Randall,I'd also like to comment on something you wrote in an earlier mail :
"it’s not clear to me that he is aware of the many museums in the US and 
the around the world that are employing social media and what is called 
“user-generated content” in all sorts of compelling ways that invite 
engagement and social change. "

I think that what is under discussion here is digital art or media art 
that prompts a more critical reflection about digital tools and 
technology- and considers how they influence and change mass behaviours 
and society and power etc. I think this goes beyond 'engagement'. This 
is not to dismiss the work that you describe- just to distinguish.

Ruth




On 01/10/15 13:42, Randall Packer wrote:
> Ruth, that’s the first time I have heard you articulate the 
> high-importance of the relationship and intersection between the 
> physical Furtherfield venues with the virtual networked spaces of the 
> list, etc. This cross-pollination between the local and the remote 
> seems to always be the great challenge of networked projects and their 
> communities, but also one of the most interesting. The question and 
> solutions you raise are compelling: to create a dialogue across this 
> divide, creating third space social engagement between the two. How do 
> to this with a text-based email list is an even greater challenge, so 
> I think having those who are on the ground in the park, or at least 
> actively involved in what is happening there, should be hosting 
> conversations on the list: reportage from the Furtherfield gallery. I 
> wonder also if it is possible for visitors in the gallery to 
> participate here, though that seems more appropriate for social media. 
> When we created multiple channels for NetArtizens, that presented a 
> good distribution solution, especially when there was 
> cross-referencing between Twitter and NetBehaviour. Personally, I 
> think it is interesting to think about all the various channels we use 
> as a wholistic activity, because in a sense, they all seem to blend 
> together with a lot of the same participants, for example Marc’s 
> Facebook postings with this list. You bring up some crucial networked 
> issues in terms of engaging virtual communities, the key question 
> being how to bridge those virtual communities with physical social 
> spaces.
>
> From: <netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org 
> <mailto:netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org>> on behalf of ruth catlow
> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> Date: Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 5:21 AM
> To: <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org 
> <mailto:netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>>, <bram.org at gmail.com 
> <mailto:bram.org at gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink
>
> Dear Annie,
>
> You have thrown the cat amongst the pigeons of my mind!
>
> Of course!
>
> All the time I think - what makes Furtherfield/Netbehaviour 
> super-special is this link between what happens in the experiments and 
> conversations between us all here on the list, and in the physical 
> places in the Furtherfield park venues (and on tour).
>
> The work done by our avant-art-tech networks and communities prompts 
> wonderful (I find them wonderful) encounters, activities and 
> conversations with park users, local residents (from every country- 
> perhaps- in the world) and exhibition visitors (local and international).
>
> But I too have had a feeling of un-ease about a disconnect with the 
> conversations that happen here on the list. This list is one of my 
> favourite places, and yet I find it hard to advocate for it, to people 
> who are not already here. Perhaps because email has now acquired toxic 
> associations for many people because of the demands it places on 
> 'immaterial labourers'.
>
> I have a couple of thoughts about what we might do.
>
> Firstly- a Netbehaviour subscriber could volunteer to host, here on 
> the list, any of the following people
>
>   * artists in our upcoming show,
>   * a recent student placement student,
>   * any member of our regular (overworked) staff-team.
>
> I would invite them to join us as our guest, to talk about their work, 
> contribution and experience with Furtherfield. As a host you would be 
> responsible for making them feel welcome here and helping them (by 
> mailing with them in private) to negotiate conversations if they were 
> to get spikey: )
>
> Secondly
>
> If there is an appetite amongst netbehaviourists for more sharing of 
> Furtherfield process, it would be easy (and pleasurable, and useful, 
> and actually quite a relief) to open up and share some of the things 
> happening 'on the ground'. As long as people could tolerate 
> incompleteness (we have to take care not invade the privacy of 
> collaborators and partners), contradiction (I have an unruly mind), 
> and the occasional indefensible statement (we work it out as we go) 
> along the way.
>
> To give you a taste of what kinds of topics these might touch on let 
> me start with a brain dump of the possible [Netbehaviour] Subject 
> Headers about Furtherfield process.
>
>   * DAOWO preparation excitement!
>       o see here http://www.furtherfield.org/artdatamoney/debate/
>
>   * Reflections on attempting to maintain critical and politically
>     astute art processes - without being po-faced and elitist.
>
>   * Installing work by [insert the names here of every artist in
>     Furtherfield's upcoming exhibition The Human Face of
>     Cryptoeconomies http://bit.ly/1VrLivJ ] at Furtherfield Gallery.
>
>   * Calculations, tactics and strategies for dealing with Furtherfield
>     finances
>       o Talking to businesspeople (lots of odd feelings!) and how
>         Jeremy Corbyn is helping
>
>   * Summer at the Museum of Contemporary Commodities - open
>     participatory process - an extreme sport.
>       o pictures here
>         https://www.flickr.com/photos/http_gallery/sets/72157656437894006
>
>   * Why Furtherfield Commons has had no landline for 3 months
>       o (How BT handed over our line to another service provider
>         without our agreement and then wouldn't get it back)
>
>   * Preparations for an upcoming street programme 'The People's Magna
>     Carta' at Frequency Festival in Lincoln.
>
>   * The Furtherfield website - opening up to noobs and improving
>     diversity of participants
>       o 7 placement students make themselves heard (it's all a bit
>         tricky!)
>
>   * Seeds of a plan for an experimental innovation lab for values
>     based economies
>       o The Oslo Innovation Manual (apparently the role of arts,
>         design and culture go unaccounted for)
>
>   * How blockchain is redolent with the decentralised distributed
>     promise of the early web
>       o How we're not falling for the utopian promise of blockchain -
>         but skippy with excitement nevertheless!
>
>   * What 7 placement students said about their Summers with Furtherfield
>
>   * How we are thinking about expanding outward and upward (and
>     inward) at the gallery/lab in the park and
>
> Finally...
>
> Thanks to Geert (see subject header) for carrying out this in depth 
> experiment with the Netbehaviour subscribers; )
> and to Annie for investigating the cause of that sourness; )
>
>
> What do you reckon???
> Tell us, we'll do something!!!
>
> respect due!
> Ruth
>
> On 30/09/15 22:11, Annie Abrahams wrote:
>> hi Randall,
>>
>> I am not necesarrily asking for more, better media, for more 
>> livelyness, I am not sure I want more ...
>> I would like a content re-de-placement, more of the processes going 
>> on (artistic and organisational) and les about results and "look what 
>> I have done" I would like that there would be more slowness, more 
>> attention, more time for open reflexion on what has been done, less 
>> representation and for now i see that still more in the mailinglist 
>> than on the social media. I think we should reinvent reinvest 
>> mailinglists! Netbehaviour first of all.
>>
>> see you
>> Annie
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Randall Packer <rpacker at zakros.com 
>> <mailto:rpacker at zakros.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     I’m not sure where to set into this thread, which has become
>>     multi-threaded in all sorts of interesting directions.
>>
>>     Regarding Geert: without going into a complete analysis, it’s not
>>     clear to me that he is aware of the many museums in the US and
>>     the around the world that are employing social media and what is
>>     called “user-generated content” in all sorts of compelling ways
>>     that invite engagement and social change. I have taught courses
>>     in the Johns Hopkins University Museum Studies program where the
>>     students are deeply involved with museum-based social and
>>     “visitor engagement,” to use another museum term. I believe the
>>     interview does have a few absolutes that have not been thoroughly
>>     researched, although I have the utmost respect for Geert and his
>>     critique of corporate-based social media: it’s just not fair to
>>     museums that are making striking progress, and of course the many
>>     alternative arts organizations, maker-faires, and hack-a-thons
>>     around the world that are incorporating socially-based forms of
>>     art and science.
>>
>>     Regarding Annie’s concern for place: I agree, we need the means
>>     of interaction that while remote, give us a more real-time,
>>     visual, media-rich form of interaction and engagement. I enjoy
>>     the ease and simplicity of an email list, but there are times you
>>     want to see faces, hear voices, trade gestures, communicate with
>>     sound, all of which is near impossible in this medium as a live
>>     experience. There is no replacing the live: we need to embed the
>>     real-time into our networked interactions, which for many of us
>>     here has been at the heart of our artistic work and research. We
>>     are all nodes on a network, and we need to find ways to engage
>>     forms of live connectivity that are as easy as sending an email.
>>
>>     Randall
>>     From: <netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org
>>     <mailto:netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org>> on behalf of
>>     Annie Abrahams
>>     Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>>     Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 10:55 AM
>>     To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>>     Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink
>>
>>     I have been to a shop to buy some coffee beans and while riding
>>     my bike, I thought : wasn't I a bit nasty to
>>     furtherfield/netbehaviour? When back I found some reactions that
>>     reassured me, but
>>     I had been thinking that somehow I was a bit sour on
>>     furtherfield/netbehaviour and I asked myself why, what would you
>>     like to be different, to change?
>>     A small idea popped up : I miss the connexion between
>>     furtherfield live in the park (where I imagine a lot of the work
>>     is happening) and furtherfield online - especially netbehaviour.
>>     Of course there are the announcements, info on the works showed
>>     of people I know online, but I miss thoughts by these actual
>>     artists who showed, worked with the real place on what is going
>>     on, on how the relation is constructed, of what their work does
>>     when place in a gallery place. I miss personal stories on this on
>>     netbehaviour.
>>
>>     xxx
>>     Annie
>>
>>     On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Pall Thayer <pallthay at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:pallthay at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Fascinating read. On gallery and museum embrace of
>>         post-internet art, I think there are two things going on.
>>         First of all, it's new and it's acceptance in galleries and
>>         museums is probably not much greater than internet art's
>>         acceptance was when it was new. Second of all, most of it
>>         takes forms which galleries and museums are familiar with,
>>         i.e. physical objects, prints, videos, etc. This is a far
>>         more attractive fit for commercial art galleries and doesn't
>>         pose any significant archiving issues for museums. At least,
>>         not ones that they haven't encountered before.
>>
>>         Pall
>>
>>         On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:26 AM marc garrett
>>         <marc.garrett2 at gmail.com <mailto:marc.garrett2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             Hi Paul, Dave, Annie & all,
>>
>>             Regarding Geert's interview -- I actually agree with most
>>             of what he says. In fact, I tend to agree with most of
>>             his ideas and writings.
>>
>>             I think as a group, we're in tune (usually coincidentally
>>             with his reflections) but, living through them within a
>>             grounded context, which is of our everyday life
>>             experience and as part of surviving as an artist led
>>             group in a neoliberalist dominated culture.
>>
>>             The audience he's talking to is an e-flux audience, and I
>>             think e-flux are part of an neoliberalist, elite
>>             establishment, so it's positive he is discussing these
>>             issues to its audience.
>>
>>             Although, Paul has mentioned already things have been
>>             getting better and there is evidence of things gettign
>>             better. I would say that's true in some ways, but it may
>>             also be true that some of us have got older and into
>>             power and so able to support media art and net art more
>>             these days. And before this was not the case ;-)
>>
>>             Wishing you well.
>>
>>
>>             marc
>>
>>
>>             On 30 September 2015 at 14:07, Paul Hertz
>>             <ignotus at gmail.com <mailto:ignotus at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Well, happy to post polemics, it's a kind of a hobby.
>>                 :^}.
>>
>>                 I think there has been a tendency for mainstream
>>                 curators to approach more recent digitally-mediated
>>                 works as if they were in effect a sort of hybrid old
>>                 media, while still neglecting both historical and
>>                 current "pure" digital media. This has meant that
>>                 certain kinds of digital hard copy (modded
>>                 photographic prints, collage and drawings, and even
>>                 3D printing == "post-digital") can be welcomed while
>>                 the internet as a platform is generally ignored. I
>>                 don't have any more evidence for this than
>>                 observation, and I have felt that the situation for
>>                 digital art was improving over the last ten years.
>>                 OTOH, I can readily understand the impatience.
>>
>>                 -- Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>                 On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 7:56 AM, dave miller
>>                 <dave.miller.uk at gmail.com
>>                 <mailto:dave.miller.uk at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                     I think Geert is probably correct though - seems
>>                     to me the art "establishment" aren't interested
>>                     in internet/ digital art, though maybe they have
>>                     a different view of it from us on here.  The art
>>                     world remains a mystery to me, so I may well be
>>                     wrong. Thank god for Furtherfield, and I would
>>                     love to know who are the curators 'not' scared of
>>                     it.
>>
>>                     What's the ‘post-digital’ bandwagon?
>>
>>                     Dave
>>
>>                     On 30 September 2015 at 13:48, Annie Abrahams
>>                     <bram.org at gmail.com <mailto:bram.org at gmail.com>>
>>                     wrote:
>>
>>                         don't be small, don't think sectarism
>>                         Geert is closer to "us" than most "others"
>>                         get in contact with him, explain and connect,
>>                         use his critical energy
>>
>>                         invite him to curate, to build, to discuss
>>
>>                         xxx
>>                         Annie
>>
>>                         On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:40 PM, NIKOS V
>>                         <nikos.vv at gmail.com
>>                         <mailto:nikos.vv at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                             I see the relevance in this approach,
>>                             allthough  I have to say its allready to
>>                             late for that criticism no?
>>
>>                             Moreover, is he really interested in art?
>>
>>                             If yes, as Marc says, where are the
>>                             references and the names ?
>>
>>                             And why is Venice Biennial important?To
>>                             whom????
>>
>>                             2015-09-30 15:36 GMT+03:00 marc.garrett
>>                             <marc.garrett at furtherfield.org
>>                             <mailto:marc.garrett at furtherfield.org>>:
>>
>>                                 Hi Paul,
>>
>>                                 Geert needs to be more specific and
>>                                 highlight the curators who are 'not'
>>                                 scared and who have been showing
>>                                 technical artwork such as
>>                                 Furtherifeld & others - his words are
>>                                 not grounded and are too absolute,
>>                                 they do not reflect reality...
>>
>>                                 marc
>>>                                 http://conversations.e-flux.com/t/geert-lovink-on-social-media-and-the-arts/2581
>>>
>>>
>>>                                 "The absence at the 2015 Venice
>>>                                 Bienale of digital arts and internet
>>>                                 works says it all. Curators are
>>>                                 afraid to admit they are clueless
>>>                                 and continue their ignorant attitude
>>>                                 towards art that deals with the
>>>                                 digital in a direct matter (while
>>>                                 checking their smart phone).
>>>                                 Everyone jumps on the ‘post-digital’
>>>                                 bandwagon because that’s cute and
>>>                                 safe. [...] Curators and critics are
>>>                                 more than happy to embrace the race,
>>>                                 gender, even the anthroposcene
>>>                                 (whatever that is), but are blind
>>>                                 for the techno-politics of the
>>>                                 equipment and media they are using
>>>                                 themselves so intensely. The
>>>                                 contradictions are becoming absurd.
>>>                                 Video was the last technology they
>>>                                 had to deal with, but then it stopped."
>>>                                 — Geert Lovink
>>>
>>>                                 //
>>>
>>>                                 enjoy,
>>>
>>>                                 -- Paul
>>>
>>>
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>>     Mas de Prunet, Montpellier
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>>     *Marc Garrett* interviewed me for the *Choose Your Muse* series
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>> Prunet, Montpellier
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>> *Marc Garrett* interviewed me for the *Choose Your Muse* series on 
>> *Furtherfield*
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