[NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink

Patrick Lichty pl at voyd.com
Fri Oct 2 14:14:08 CEST 2015


One of many points today -
I wonder if this conversation could be extended here to the UAE, where there
is a great deal of cultural activity (but it is still a Œsmall¹town)

From:  ruth catlow <ruth.catlow at furtherfield.org>
Reply-To:  NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
<netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>
Date:  Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 10:04 PM
To:  <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>
Subject:  Re: [NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink

    
 
Thanks Annie and Randall,
 
 for offers to host and for your ideas and reflections.
 
 The idea of asking a gallery visitor to join a discussion on Netbehaviour
is provoking!
 
 I look forward to hearing more from you Annie: )
 
 Randall,I'd also like to comment on something you wrote in an earlier mail
:
 "it¹s not clear to me that he is aware of the many museums in the US and
the around the world that are employing social media and what is called
³user-generated content² in all sorts of compelling ways that invite
engagement and social change. "
 
 I think that what is under discussion here is digital art or media art that
prompts a more critical reflection about digital tools and technology- and
considers how they influence and change mass behaviours and society and
power etc. I think this goes beyond 'engagement'. This is not to dismiss the
work that you describe- just to distinguish.
 
 Ruth
 
 
 
 
 On 01/10/15 13:42, Randall Packer wrote:
 
 
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> Ruth, that¹s the first time I have heard you articulate the high-importance of
> the relationship and intersection between the physical Furtherfield venues
> with the virtual networked spaces of the list, etc. This cross-pollination
> between the local and the remote seems to always be the great challenge of
> networked projects and their communities, but also one of the most
> interesting. The question and solutions you raise are compelling: to create a
> dialogue across this divide, creating third space social engagement between
> the two. How do to this with a text-based email list is an even greater
> challenge, so I think having those who are on the ground in the park, or at
> least actively involved in what is happening there, should be hosting
> conversations on the list: reportage from the Furtherfield gallery. I wonder
> also if it is possible for visitors in the gallery to participate here, though
> that seems more appropriate for social media. When we created multiple
> channels for NetArtizens, that presented a good distribution solution,
> especially when there was cross-referencing between Twitter and NetBehaviour.
> Personally, I think it is interesting to think about all the various channels
> we use as a wholistic activity, because in a sense, they all seem to blend
> together with a lot of the same participants, for example Marc¹s Facebook
> postings with this list. You bring up some crucial networked issues in terms
> of engaging virtual communities, the key question being how to bridge those
> virtual communities with physical social spaces.
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> From:  <netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org>  on behalf of ruth catlow
>  Reply-To:  NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>  Date:  Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 5:21 AM
>  To:  <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>,  <bram.org at gmail.com>
>  Subject:  Re: [NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink
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> Dear Annie,
>  
>  You have thrown the cat amongst the pigeons of my mind!
>  
>  Of course!
>  
>  All the time I think - what makes Furtherfield/Netbehaviour super-special is
> this link between what happens in the experiments and conversations between us
> all here on the list, and in the physical places in the Furtherfield park
> venues (and on tour).
>  
>  The work done by our avant-art-tech networks and communities prompts
> wonderful (I find them wonderful) encounters, activities and conversations
> with park users, local residents (from every country- perhaps- in the world)
> and exhibition visitors (local and international).
>  
>  But I too have had a feeling of un-ease about a disconnect with the
> conversations that happen here on the list. This list is one of my favourite
> places, and yet I find it hard to advocate for it, to people who are not
> already here. Perhaps because email has now acquired toxic associations for
> many people because of the demands it places on 'immaterial labourers'.
>  
>  I have a couple of thoughts about what we might do.
>  
>  Firstly- a Netbehaviour subscriber could volunteer to host, here on the list,
> any of the following people
>  
> * artists in our upcoming show,
> * a recent student placement student,
> * any member of our regular (overworked) staff-team.
>  I would invite them to join us as our guest, to talk about their work,
> contribution and experience with Furtherfield. As a host you would be
> responsible for making them feel welcome here and helping them (by mailing
> with them in private) to negotiate conversations if they were to get spikey: )
>  
>  Secondly
>  
>  If there is an appetite amongst netbehaviourists for more sharing of
> Furtherfield process, it would be easy (and pleasurable, and useful, and
> actually quite a relief) to open up and share some of the things happening 'on
> the ground'. As long as people could tolerate incompleteness (we have to take
> care not invade the privacy of collaborators and partners), contradiction (I
> have an unruly mind), and the occasional indefensible statement (we work it
> out as we go) along the way.
>  
>  To give you a taste of what kinds of topics these might touch on let me start
> with a brain dump of the possible [Netbehaviour] Subject Headers about
> Furtherfield process.
>  
>  
> * DAOWO preparation excitement!
>> * see here http://www.furtherfield.org/artdatamoney/debate/
>> *  
>> *  
> * Reflections on attempting to maintain critical and politically astute art
> processes - without being po-faced and elitist.
> *  
> *  
> * Installing work by [insert the names here of every artist in Furtherfield's
> upcoming exhibition The Human Face of Cryptoeconomies http://bit.ly/1VrLivJ ]
> at Furtherfield Gallery.
> *  
> *  
> * Calculations, tactics and strategies for dealing with Furtherfield finances
>> * Talking to businesspeople (lots of odd feelings!) and how Jeremy Corbyn is
>> helping
>> *  
>> *  
> * Summer at the Museum of Contemporary Commodities - open participatory
> process - an extreme sport.
>> * pictures here 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/http_gallery/sets/72157656437894006
>> *  
>> *  
> * Why Furtherfield Commons has had no landline for 3 months
>> *  (How BT handed over our line to another service provider without our
>> agreement and then wouldn't get it back)
>> *  
>> *  
> * Preparations for an upcoming street programme 'The People's Magna Carta' at
> Frequency Festival in Lincoln.
> *  
>  
> * The Furtherfield website - opening up to noobs and improving diversity of
> participants
> *  
>> * 7 placement students make themselves heard (it's all a bit tricky!)
>> *  
>> *  
> * Seeds of a plan for an experimental innovation lab for values based
> economies 
>> * The Oslo Innovation Manual (apparently the role of arts, design and culture
>> go unaccounted for)
>> *  
>> *  
> * How blockchain is redolent with the decentralised distributed promise of the
> early web 
> *  
>> * How we're not falling for the utopian promise of blockchain - but skippy
>> with excitement nevertheless!
>> *  
>> *  
> * What 7 placement students said about their Summers with Furtherfield
> *  
> *  
> * How we are thinking about expanding outward and upward (and inward) at the
> gallery/lab in the park and
> *  
>  Finally...
>  
>  Thanks to Geert (see subject header) for carrying out this in depth
> experiment with the Netbehaviour subscribers; )
>  and to Annie for investigating the cause of that sourness; )
>  
>  
>  What do you reckon???
>  Tell us, we'll do something!!!
>  
>  respect due!
>  Ruth
>  
>  On 30/09/15 22:11, Annie Abrahams wrote:
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>> hi Randall,
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>>  I am not necesarrily asking for more, better media, for more livelyness, I
>> am not sure I want more ...
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>>  I would like a content re-de-placement, more of the processes going on
>> (artistic and organisational) and les about results and "look what I have
>> done" I would like that there would be more slowness, more attention, more
>> time for open reflexion on what has been done, less representation and for
>> now i see that still more in the mailinglist than on the social media. I
>> think we should reinvent reinvest mailinglists! Netbehaviour first of all.
>>  
>>  
>>  see you
>>  
>>  Annie
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>> 
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>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Randall Packer <rpacker at zakros.com> wrote:
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>>> I¹m not sure where to set into this thread, which has become multi-threaded
>>> in all sorts of interesting directions.
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>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Regarding Geert: without going into a complete analysis, it¹s not clear to
>>> me that he is aware of the many museums in the US and the around the world
>>> that are employing social media and what is called ³user-generated content²
>>> in all sorts of compelling ways that invite engagement and social change. I
>>> have taught courses in the Johns Hopkins University Museum Studies program
>>> where the students are deeply involved with museum-based social and ³visitor
>>> engagement,² to use another museum term. I believe the interview does have a
>>> few absolutes that have not been thoroughly researched, although I have the
>>> utmost respect for Geert and his critique of corporate-based social media:
>>> it¹s just not fair to museums that are making striking progress, and of
>>> course the many alternative arts organizations, maker-faires, and
>>> hack-a-thons around the world that are incorporating socially-based forms of
>>> art and science.
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Regarding Annie¹s concern for place: I agree, we need the means of
>>> interaction that while remote, give us a more real-time, visual, media-rich
>>> form of interaction and engagement. I enjoy the ease and simplicity of an
>>> email list, but there are times you want to see faces, hear voices, trade
>>> gestures, communicate with sound, all of which is near impossible in this
>>> medium as a live experience. There is no replacing the live: we need to
>>> embed the real-time into our networked interactions, which for many of us
>>> here has been at the heart of our artistic work and research. We are all
>>> nodes on a network, and we need to find ways to engage forms of live
>>> connectivity that are as easy as sending an email.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Randall
>>>   
>>> From:  <netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org>  on behalf of Annie Abrahams
>>>  Reply-To:  NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>>>  Date:  Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 10:55 AM
>>>  To:  NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>>>  Subject:  Re: [NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink
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>>> I have been to a shop to buy some coffee beans and while riding my bike, I
>>> thought : wasn't I a bit nasty to furtherfield/netbehaviour? When back I
>>> found some reactions that reassured me, but
>>>  
>>>  I had been thinking that somehow I was a bit sour on
>>> furtherfield/netbehaviour and I asked myself why, what would you like to be
>>> different, to change?
>>>  
>>>  A small idea popped up : I miss the connexion between furtherfield live in
>>> the park (where I imagine a lot of the work is happening) and furtherfield
>>> online - especially netbehaviour. Of course there are the announcements,
>>> info on the works showed of people I know online, but I miss thoughts by
>>> these actual artists who showed, worked with the real place on what is going
>>> on, on how the relation is constructed, of what their work does when place
>>> in a gallery place. I miss personal stories on this on netbehaviour.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  xxx
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>>>  Annie
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>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Pall Thayer <pallthay at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Fascinating read. On gallery and museum embrace of post-internet art, I
>>>> think there are two things going on. First of all, it's new and it's
>>>> acceptance in galleries and museums is probably not much greater than
>>>> internet art's acceptance was when it was new. Second of all, most of it
>>>> takes forms which galleries and museums are familiar with, i.e. physical
>>>> objects, prints, videos, etc. This is a far more attractive fit for
>>>> commercial art galleries and doesn't pose any significant archiving issues
>>>> for museums. At least, not ones that they haven't encountered before.
>>>> 
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>>>> Pall
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>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:26 AM marc garrett <marc.garrett2 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> Hi Paul, Dave, Annie & all,
>>>>>  
>>>>>  Regarding Geert's interview -- I actually agree with most of what he
>>>>> says. In fact, I tend to agree with most of his ideas and writings.
>>>>>  
>>>>>  I think as a group, we're in tune (usually coincidentally with his
>>>>> reflections) but, living through them within a grounded context, which is
>>>>> of our everyday life experience and as part of surviving as an artist led
>>>>> group in a neoliberalist dominated culture.
>>>>>  
>>>>>  The audience he's talking to is an e-flux audience, and I think e-flux
>>>>> are part of an neoliberalist, elite establishment, so it's positive he is
>>>>> discussing these issues to its audience.
>>>>>  
>>>>>  Although, Paul has mentioned already things have been getting better and
>>>>> there is evidence of things gettign better. I would say that's true in
>>>>> some ways, but it may also be true that some of us have got older and into
>>>>> power and so able to support media art and net art more these days. And
>>>>> before this was not the case ;-)
>>>>>  
>>>>>  Wishing you well.
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>>  marc
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>>>>> On 30 September 2015 at 14:07, Paul Hertz <ignotus at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Well, happy to post polemics, it's a kind of a hobby. :^}.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> I think there has been a tendency for mainstream curators to approach
>>>>>> more recent digitally-mediated works as if they were in effect a sort of
>>>>>> hybrid old media, while still neglecting both historical and current
>>>>>> "pure" digital media. This has meant that certain kinds of digital hard
>>>>>> copy (modded photographic prints, collage and drawings, and even 3D
>>>>>> printing == "post-digital") can be welcomed while the internet as a
>>>>>> platform is generally ignored. I don't have any more evidence for this
>>>>>> than observation, and I have felt that the situation for digital art was
>>>>>> improving over the last ten years. OTOH, I can readily understand the
>>>>>> impatience.
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>>>>>> -- Paul
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>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 7:56 AM, dave miller <dave.miller.uk at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>> I think Geert is probably correct though - seems to me the art
>>>>>>> "establishment" aren't interested in internet/ digital art, though maybe
>>>>>>> they have a different view of it from us on here.  The art world remains
>>>>>>> a mystery to me, so I may well be wrong. Thank god for Furtherfield, and
>>>>>>> I would love to know who are the curators  'not' scared of  it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> What's the Œpost-digital¹ bandwagon?
>>>>>>>   
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>>>>>>> Dave
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>>>>>>> On 30 September 2015 at 13:48, Annie Abrahams <bram.org at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>> don't be small, don't think sectarism
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  Geert is closer to "us" than most "others"
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  get in contact with him, explain and connect, use his critical energy
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  invite him to curate, to build, to discuss
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  xxx
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Annie
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>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:40 PM, NIKOS V <nikos.vv at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>> I see the relevance in this approach, allthough  I have to say its
>>>>>>> allready to late for that criticism no?
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>>>>>>> Moreover, is he really interested in art?
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>>>>>>> If yes, as Marc says, where are the references and the names ?
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>>>>>>> And why is Venice Biennial important?To whom????
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>>>>>>> 2015-09-30  15:36 GMT+03:00 marc.garrett
>>>>>>> <marc.garrett at furtherfield.org>:
>>>>>>>  
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>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  Geert needs to be more specific and highlight the curators who are
>>>>>>> 'not' scared and who have been showing technical artwork such as
>>>>>>> Furtherifeld & others - his words are not grounded and are too absolute,
>>>>>>> they do not reflect reality...
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  marc
>>>>>>>  
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>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> http://conversations.e-flux.com/t/geert-lovink-on-social-media-and-the-a
>>>>>>> rts/2581 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> "The absence at the 2015 Venice Bienale of digital arts and internet
>>>>>>> works says it all. Curators are afraid to admit they are clueless and
>>>>>>> continue their ignorant attitude towards art that deals with the digital
>>>>>>> in a direct matter (while checking their smart phone). Everyone jumps on
>>>>>>> the Œpost-digital¹ bandwagon because that¹s cute and safe. [...]
>>>>>>> Curators and critics are more than happy to embrace the race, gender,
>>>>>>> even the anthroposcene (whatever that is), but are blind for the
>>>>>>> techno-politics  of the equipment and media they are using themselves so
>>>>>>> intensely. The contradictions are becoming absurd. Video was the last
>>>>>>> technology they had to deal with, but then it stopped."
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> ‹ Geert Lovink
>>>>>>>  
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>>>>>>> //
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>>>>>>> enjoy, 
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>>>>>>> -- Paul
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>>>>>>> <http://www.labullebleue.fr/#%21/magdalenaproject> , 285 rue du Mas de
>>>>>>> Prunet, Montpellier
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>>>>>>> aabrahams.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/vivre-entre-from-estranger-to-e-stran
>>>>>>> ger/ 
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>>>>>>> besides,  
>>>>>>>  online performances On  Object Agency
>>>>>>>  with Martina Ruhsam
>>>>>>>  archives (text, script, video, images)
>>>>>>>  bram.org/besides/ <http://bram.org/besides/>
>>>>>>>  Marc Garrett interviewed me for the Choose  Your Muse series on
>>>>>>> Furtherfield
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>>>>>>> furtherfield.org/features/interviews/choose-your-muse-interview-annie-ab
>>>>>>> rahams 
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>>> performée
>>>  festival Magdalena,  La  Bulle Bleue
>>> <http://www.labullebleue.fr/#%21/magdalenaproject> , 285 rue du Mas de
>>> Prunet, Montpellier
>>>  
>>> aabrahams.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/vivre-entre-from-estranger-to-e-stranger/
>>> <https://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/vivre-entre-from-estranger-to-e-
>>> stranger/> 
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>>> besides,  
>>>  online performances On  Object Agency
>>>  with Martina Ruhsam
>>>  archives (text, script, video, images)
>>>  bram.org/besides/ <http://bram.org/besides/>
>>>  Marc Garrett interviewed me for the Choose  Your Muse series on
>>> Furtherfield
>>>  
>>> furtherfield.org/features/interviews/choose-your-muse-interview-annie-abraha
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