[NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink

ruth catlow ruth.catlow at furtherfield.org
Fri Oct 2 14:27:53 CEST 2015


You are probably best placed to answer that question Patrick.
How could that work?

On 02/10/15 13:14, Patrick Lichty wrote:
> One of many points today -
> I wonder if this conversation could be extended here to the UAE, where 
> there is a great deal of cultural activity (but it is still a ‘small’town)
>
> From: ruth catlow <ruth.catlow at furtherfield.org 
> <mailto:ruth.catlow at furtherfield.org>>
> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity 
> <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org <mailto:netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>>
> Date: Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 10:04 PM
> To: <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org <mailto:netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>>
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink
>
> Thanks Annie and Randall,
>
> for offers to host and for your ideas and reflections.
>
> The idea of asking a gallery visitor to join a discussion on 
> Netbehaviour is provoking!
>
> I look forward to hearing more from you Annie: )
>
> Randall,I'd also like to comment on something you wrote in an earlier 
> mail :
> "it’s not clear to me that he is aware of the many museums in the US 
> and the around the world that are employing social media and what is 
> called “user-generated content” in all sorts of compelling ways that 
> invite engagement and social change. "
>
> I think that what is under discussion here is digital art or media art 
> that prompts a more critical reflection about digital tools and 
> technology- and considers how they influence and change mass 
> behaviours and society and power etc. I think this goes beyond 
> 'engagement'. This is not to dismiss the work that you describe- just 
> to distinguish.
>
> Ruth
>
>
>
>
> On 01/10/15 13:42, Randall Packer wrote:
>> Ruth, that’s the first time I have heard you articulate the 
>> high-importance of the relationship and intersection between the 
>> physical Furtherfield venues with the virtual networked spaces of the 
>> list, etc. This cross-pollination between the local and the remote 
>> seems to always be the great challenge of networked projects and 
>> their communities, but also one of the most interesting. The question 
>> and solutions you raise are compelling: to create a dialogue across 
>> this divide, creating third space social engagement between the two. 
>> How do to this with a text-based email list is an even greater 
>> challenge, so I think having those who are on the ground in the park, 
>> or at least actively involved in what is happening there, should be 
>> hosting conversations on the list: reportage from the Furtherfield 
>> gallery. I wonder also if it is possible for visitors in the gallery 
>> to participate here, though that seems more appropriate for social 
>> media. When we created multiple channels for NetArtizens, that 
>> presented a good distribution solution, especially when there was 
>> cross-referencing between Twitter and NetBehaviour. Personally, I 
>> think it is interesting to think about all the various channels we 
>> use as a wholistic activity, because in a sense, they all seem to 
>> blend together with a lot of the same participants, for example 
>> Marc’s Facebook postings with this list. You bring up some crucial 
>> networked issues in terms of engaging virtual communities, the key 
>> question being how to bridge those virtual communities with physical 
>> social spaces.
>>
>> From: <netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org 
>> <mailto:netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org>> on behalf of ruth catlow
>> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>> Date: Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 5:21 AM
>> To: <netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org 
>> <mailto:netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org>>, <bram.org at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:bram.org at gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink
>>
>> Dear Annie,
>>
>> You have thrown the cat amongst the pigeons of my mind!
>>
>> Of course!
>>
>> All the time I think - what makes Furtherfield/Netbehaviour 
>> super-special is this link between what happens in the experiments 
>> and conversations between us all here on the list, and in the 
>> physical places in the Furtherfield park venues (and on tour).
>>
>> The work done by our avant-art-tech networks and communities prompts 
>> wonderful (I find them wonderful) encounters, activities and 
>> conversations with park users, local residents (from every country- 
>> perhaps- in the world) and exhibition visitors (local and international).
>>
>> But I too have had a feeling of un-ease about a disconnect with the 
>> conversations that happen here on the list. This list is one of my 
>> favourite places, and yet I find it hard to advocate for it, to 
>> people who are not already here. Perhaps because email has now 
>> acquired toxic associations for many people because of the demands it 
>> places on 'immaterial labourers'.
>>
>> I have a couple of thoughts about what we might do.
>>
>> Firstly- a Netbehaviour subscriber could volunteer to host, here on 
>> the list, any of the following people
>>
>>   * artists in our upcoming show,
>>   * a recent student placement student,
>>   * any member of our regular (overworked) staff-team.
>>
>> I would invite them to join us as our guest, to talk about their 
>> work, contribution and experience with Furtherfield. As a host you 
>> would be responsible for making them feel welcome here and helping 
>> them (by mailing with them in private) to negotiate conversations if 
>> they were to get spikey: )
>>
>> Secondly
>>
>> If there is an appetite amongst netbehaviourists for more sharing of 
>> Furtherfield process, it would be easy (and pleasurable, and useful, 
>> and actually quite a relief) to open up and share some of the things 
>> happening 'on the ground'. As long as people could tolerate 
>> incompleteness (we have to take care not invade the privacy of 
>> collaborators and partners), contradiction (I have an unruly mind), 
>> and the occasional indefensible statement (we work it out as we go) 
>> along the way.
>>
>> To give you a taste of what kinds of topics these might touch on let 
>> me start with a brain dump of the possible [Netbehaviour] Subject 
>> Headers about Furtherfield process.
>>
>>   * DAOWO preparation excitement!
>>       o see here http://www.furtherfield.org/artdatamoney/debate/
>>
>>   * Reflections on attempting to maintain critical and politically
>>     astute art processes - without being po-faced and elitist.
>>
>>   * Installing work by [insert the names here of every artist in
>>     Furtherfield's upcoming exhibition The Human Face of
>>     Cryptoeconomies http://bit.ly/1VrLivJ ] at Furtherfield Gallery.
>>
>>   * Calculations, tactics and strategies for dealing with
>>     Furtherfield finances
>>       o Talking to businesspeople (lots of odd feelings!) and how
>>         Jeremy Corbyn is helping
>>
>>   * Summer at the Museum of Contemporary Commodities - open
>>     participatory process - an extreme sport.
>>       o pictures here
>>         https://www.flickr.com/photos/http_gallery/sets/72157656437894006
>>
>>   * Why Furtherfield Commons has had no landline for 3 months
>>       o (How BT handed over our line to another service provider
>>         without our agreement and then wouldn't get it back)
>>
>>   * Preparations for an upcoming street programme 'The People's Magna
>>     Carta' at Frequency Festival in Lincoln.
>>
>>   * The Furtherfield website - opening up to noobs and improving
>>     diversity of participants
>>       o 7 placement students make themselves heard (it's all a bit
>>         tricky!)
>>
>>   * Seeds of a plan for an experimental innovation lab for values
>>     based economies
>>       o The Oslo Innovation Manual (apparently the role of arts,
>>         design and culture go unaccounted for)
>>
>>   * How blockchain is redolent with the decentralised distributed
>>     promise of the early web
>>       o How we're not falling for the utopian promise of blockchain -
>>         but skippy with excitement nevertheless!
>>
>>   * What 7 placement students said about their Summers with Furtherfield
>>
>>   * How we are thinking about expanding outward and upward (and
>>     inward) at the gallery/lab in the park and
>>
>> Finally...
>>
>> Thanks to Geert (see subject header) for carrying out this in depth 
>> experiment with the Netbehaviour subscribers; )
>> and to Annie for investigating the cause of that sourness; )
>>
>>
>> What do you reckon???
>> Tell us, we'll do something!!!
>>
>> respect due!
>> Ruth
>>
>> On 30/09/15 22:11, Annie Abrahams wrote:
>>> hi Randall,
>>>
>>> I am not necesarrily asking for more, better media, for more 
>>> livelyness, I am not sure I want more ...
>>> I would like a content re-de-placement, more of the processes going 
>>> on (artistic and organisational) and les about results and "look 
>>> what I have done" I would like that there would be more slowness, 
>>> more attention, more time for open reflexion on what has been done, 
>>> less representation and for now i see that still more in the 
>>> mailinglist than on the social media. I think we should reinvent 
>>> reinvest mailinglists! Netbehaviour first of all.
>>>
>>> see you
>>> Annie
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Randall Packer <rpacker at zakros.com 
>>> <mailto:rpacker at zakros.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     I’m not sure where to set into this thread, which has become
>>>     multi-threaded in all sorts of interesting directions.
>>>
>>>     Regarding Geert: without going into a complete analysis, it’s
>>>     not clear to me that he is aware of the many museums in the US
>>>     and the around the world that are employing social media and
>>>     what is called “user-generated content” in all sorts of
>>>     compelling ways that invite engagement and social change. I have
>>>     taught courses in the Johns Hopkins University Museum Studies
>>>     program where the students are deeply involved with museum-based
>>>     social and “visitor engagement,” to use another museum term. I
>>>     believe the interview does have a few absolutes that have not
>>>     been thoroughly researched, although I have the utmost respect
>>>     for Geert and his critique of corporate-based social media: it’s
>>>     just not fair to museums that are making striking progress, and
>>>     of course the many alternative arts organizations, maker-faires,
>>>     and hack-a-thons around the world that are incorporating
>>>     socially-based forms of art and science.
>>>
>>>     Regarding Annie’s concern for place: I agree, we need the means
>>>     of interaction that while remote, give us a more real-time,
>>>     visual, media-rich form of interaction and engagement. I enjoy
>>>     the ease and simplicity of an email list, but there are times
>>>     you want to see faces, hear voices, trade gestures, communicate
>>>     with sound, all of which is near impossible in this medium as a
>>>     live experience. There is no replacing the live: we need to
>>>     embed the real-time into our networked interactions, which for
>>>     many of us here has been at the heart of our artistic work and
>>>     research. We are all nodes on a network, and we need to find
>>>     ways to engage forms of live connectivity that are as easy as
>>>     sending an email.
>>>
>>>     Randall
>>>     From: <netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org
>>>     <mailto:netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org>> on behalf of
>>>     Annie Abrahams
>>>     Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>>>     Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 10:55 AM
>>>     To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>>>     Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink
>>>
>>>     I have been to a shop to buy some coffee beans and while riding
>>>     my bike, I thought : wasn't I a bit nasty to
>>>     furtherfield/netbehaviour? When back I found some reactions that
>>>     reassured me, but
>>>     I had been thinking that somehow I was a bit sour on
>>>     furtherfield/netbehaviour and I asked myself why, what would you
>>>     like to be different, to change?
>>>     A small idea popped up : I miss the connexion between
>>>     furtherfield live in the park (where I imagine a lot of the work
>>>     is happening) and furtherfield online - especially netbehaviour.
>>>     Of course there are the announcements, info on the works showed
>>>     of people I know online, but I miss thoughts by these actual
>>>     artists who showed, worked with the real place on what is going
>>>     on, on how the relation is constructed, of what their work does
>>>     when place in a gallery place. I miss personal stories on this
>>>     on netbehaviour.
>>>
>>>     xxx
>>>     Annie
>>>
>>>     On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Pall Thayer <pallthay at gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:pallthay at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Fascinating read. On gallery and museum embrace of
>>>         post-internet art, I think there are two things going on.
>>>         First of all, it's new and it's acceptance in galleries and
>>>         museums is probably not much greater than internet art's
>>>         acceptance was when it was new. Second of all, most of it
>>>         takes forms which galleries and museums are familiar with,
>>>         i.e. physical objects, prints, videos, etc. This is a far
>>>         more attractive fit for commercial art galleries and doesn't
>>>         pose any significant archiving issues for museums. At least,
>>>         not ones that they haven't encountered before.
>>>
>>>         Pall
>>>
>>>         On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:26 AM marc garrett
>>>         <marc.garrett2 at gmail.com <mailto:marc.garrett2 at gmail.com>>
>>>         wrote:
>>>
>>>             Hi Paul, Dave, Annie & all,
>>>
>>>             Regarding Geert's interview -- I actually agree with
>>>             most of what he says. In fact, I tend to agree with most
>>>             of his ideas and writings.
>>>
>>>             I think as a group, we're in tune (usually
>>>             coincidentally with his reflections) but, living through
>>>             them within a grounded context, which is of our everyday
>>>             life experience and as part of surviving as an artist
>>>             led group in a neoliberalist dominated culture.
>>>
>>>             The audience he's talking to is an e-flux audience, and
>>>             I think e-flux are part of an neoliberalist, elite
>>>             establishment, so it's positive he is discussing these
>>>             issues to its audience.
>>>
>>>             Although, Paul has mentioned already things have been
>>>             getting better and there is evidence of things gettign
>>>             better. I would say that's true in some ways, but it may
>>>             also be true that some of us have got older and into
>>>             power and so able to support media art and net art more
>>>             these days. And before this was not the case ;-)
>>>
>>>             Wishing you well.
>>>
>>>
>>>             marc
>>>
>>>
>>>             On 30 September 2015 at 14:07, Paul Hertz
>>>             <ignotus at gmail.com <mailto:ignotus at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Well, happy to post polemics, it's a kind of a
>>>                 hobby. :^}.
>>>
>>>                 I think there has been a tendency for mainstream
>>>                 curators to approach more recent digitally-mediated
>>>                 works as if they were in effect a sort of hybrid old
>>>                 media, while still neglecting both historical and
>>>                 current "pure" digital media. This has meant that
>>>                 certain kinds of digital hard copy (modded
>>>                 photographic prints, collage and drawings, and even
>>>                 3D printing == "post-digital") can be welcomed while
>>>                 the internet as a platform is generally ignored. I
>>>                 don't have any more evidence for this than
>>>                 observation, and I have felt that the situation for
>>>                 digital art was improving over the last ten years.
>>>                 OTOH, I can readily understand the impatience.
>>>
>>>                 -- Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                 On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 7:56 AM, dave miller
>>>                 <dave.miller.uk at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:dave.miller.uk at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     I think Geert is probably correct though - seems
>>>                     to me the art "establishment" aren't interested
>>>                     in internet/ digital art, though maybe they have
>>>                     a different view of it from us on here.  The art
>>>                     world remains a mystery to me, so I may well be
>>>                     wrong. Thank god for Furtherfield, and I would
>>>                     love to know who are the curators 'not'
>>>                     scared of it.
>>>
>>>                     What's the ‘post-digital’ bandwagon?
>>>
>>>                     Dave
>>>
>>>                     On 30 September 2015 at 13:48, Annie Abrahams
>>>                     <bram.org at gmail.com <mailto:bram.org at gmail.com>>
>>>                     wrote:
>>>
>>>                         don't be small, don't think sectarism
>>>                         Geert is closer to "us" than most "others"
>>>                         get in contact with him, explain and
>>>                         connect, use his critical energy
>>>
>>>                         invite him to curate, to build, to discuss
>>>
>>>                         xxx
>>>                         Annie
>>>
>>>                         On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:40 PM, NIKOS V
>>>                         <nikos.vv at gmail.com
>>>                         <mailto:nikos.vv at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                             I see the relevance in this approach,
>>>                             allthough  I have to say its allready to
>>>                             late for that criticism no?
>>>
>>>                             Moreover, is he really interested in art?
>>>
>>>                             If yes, as Marc says, where are the
>>>                             references and the names ?
>>>
>>>                             And why is Venice Biennial important?To
>>>                             whom????
>>>
>>>                             2015-09-30 15:36 GMT+03:00 marc.garrett
>>>                             <marc.garrett at furtherfield.org
>>>                             <mailto:marc.garrett at furtherfield.org>>:
>>>
>>>                                 Hi Paul,
>>>
>>>                                 Geert needs to be more specific and
>>>                                 highlight the curators who are 'not'
>>>                                 scared and who have been showing
>>>                                 technical artwork such as
>>>                                 Furtherifeld & others - his words
>>>                                 are not grounded and are too
>>>                                 absolute, they do not reflect reality...
>>>
>>>                                 marc
>>>>                                 http://conversations.e-flux.com/t/geert-lovink-on-social-media-and-the-arts/2581
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                 "The absence at the 2015 Venice
>>>>                                 Bienale of digital arts and
>>>>                                 internet works says it all.
>>>>                                 Curators are afraid to admit they
>>>>                                 are clueless and continue their
>>>>                                 ignorant attitude towards art that
>>>>                                 deals with the digital in a direct
>>>>                                 matter (while checking their smart
>>>>                                 phone). Everyone jumps on the
>>>>                                 ‘post-digital’ bandwagon because
>>>>                                 that’s cute and safe. [...]
>>>>                                 Curators and critics are more than
>>>>                                 happy to embrace the race, gender,
>>>>                                 even the anthroposcene (whatever
>>>>                                 that is), but are blind for the
>>>>                                 techno-politics of the equipment
>>>>                                 and media they are using themselves
>>>>                                 so intensely. The contradictions
>>>>                                 are becoming absurd. Video was the
>>>>                                 last technology they had to deal
>>>>                                 with, but then it stopped."
>>>>                                 — Geert Lovink
>>>>
>>>>                                 //
>>>>
>>>>                                 enjoy,
>>>>
>>>>                                 -- Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                 -- 
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>>>     Mas de Prunet, Montpellier
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>>>     *Marc Garrett* interviewed me for the *Choose Your Muse* series
>>>     on *Furtherfield*
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>>> <http://www.labullebleue.fr/#%21/magdalenaproject>, 285 rue du Mas 
>>> de Prunet, Montpellier
>>> aabrahams.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/vivre-entre-from-estranger-to-e-stranger/ 
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>>> /online performances *On Object Agency *
>>> with Martina Ruhsam
>>> *archives* (text, script, video, images)*/
>>> /*bram.org/besides/ <http://bram.org/besides/>
>>>
>>> *Marc Garrett* interviewed me for the *Choose Your Muse* series on 
>>> *Furtherfield*
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Furtherfield is the UK's leading organisation for art shows, labs, & 
debates
around critical questions in art and technology, since 1997

Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company limited by Guarantee
registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205.
Registered business address: Ballard Newman, Apex House, Grand Arcade, 
Tally Ho Corner, London N12 0EH.
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