[NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink

Alan Sondheim sondheim at panix.com
Sat Oct 3 04:58:19 CEST 2015

It is no more antiquated than the wheel. It permits and tenders a place 
for conversation, discussion. Adding bells and whistles just doesn't work; 
I haven't seen any discussions anywhere near the depth of empyre or 
netbehaviour - precisely because there aren't avatars running around. 
Facebook is precisely scattered.

I could go on and on; I'm interested in depth; even my own fireworks are 
nothing more than urls here, alive or dead. But the depth of discussion is 
intense and there are almost no places for that anywhere online at this 

- Alan

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015, Randall Packer wrote:

> Rob, this is an interesting point and one I have been thinking a lot 
> about: why are new media discussions using list software that is perhaps 
> 20 years old, which don?t allow for the possibilities of embedded media, 
> avatars, search, database, etc. (I know there is a Web version of this, 
> but who looks at?) For me, there is a paradox here. Many complain about 
> the glut of email in their lives, and yet lists are perhaps the number 
> one producer of email for those who subscribe to lists. Is it because 
> email is still our main channel of communication, the go to for 
> correspondence, discussion, social media notifications, etc? Matt 
> Mullenweg, the founder of Wordpress, never uses email for business 
> communication, rather P2, a bulletin board web-based interface where he 
> can follow everyone?s conversations in a threaded, searchable 
> environment. He claims this to be the future of social networks, and I 
> tend to agree, but it takes commitment among the community to learn to 
> use the new tools. I am not condemning listserves here, they serve a 
> great purpose and they are super-easy to use. However, we all have to 
> admit it is an antiquated system and there is no reason really not to 
> overhaul the whole thing and move into the 21st century.
> OK, I expect to be heavily criticized here, but that?s my position. :)
> On 10/1/15, 10:41 PM, "Rob Myers" <netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org on behalf of rob at robmyers.org> wrote:
>> On 01/10/15 02:21 AM, ruth catlow wrote:
>>> But I too have had a feeling of un-ease about a disconnect with the
>>> conversations that happen here on the list. This list is one of my
>>> favourite places, and yet I find it hard to advocate for it, to people
>>> who are not already here. Perhaps because email has now acquired toxic
>>> associations for many people because of the demands it places on
>>> 'immaterial labourers'.
>> They're all exploited via apps now aren't they? :-)
>> At the risk of solutionism, modern discussion systems provide web forum
>> -style interfaces to mailing lists (and vice versa).
>> https://www.discourse.org/
>> http://groupserver.org/
>> - Rob.
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