[NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink

Randall Packer rpacker at zakros.com
Sat Oct 3 14:54:09 CEST 2015

Annie, I am with you: the email list is a tried and true system of discourse. However, after lengthy conversations with Ruth and Marc about the importance of reaching out to younger generations, many of whom have basically stopped using email and have shifted to other forms of communications, do we need to adapt our channels for changing times? I would shudder to think that we might become complacent and conservative through convenience. 

That said, I think the NetArtizens experiment we ran last March, using multiple channels that were intertwined has the potential to go further. Most of us communicate via multiple channels: way we conduct ourselves variously across those channels according to length, speed, synchronicity, and media possibilities. I have always envisioned some kind of synthesis of communications channels that would allow for our various styles, needs, and technical capabilities to feed into a virtual community as interconnected nodes on a distributed network. 

From:  <netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org> on behalf of Annie Abrahams
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Date:  Friday, October 2, 2015 at 1:28 PM
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Subject:  Re: [NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink


I would be willing to go elsewhere, no problem
what exactly is wrong with using a mailinglists, I just don't understand - thinking I am too old, a bit out of what is happening "today", just explain me what is the problem ?

yes, it needs attention, but that is just what I think a "community" like furtherfield would need, if you are not interested in what's happening, if you don't have time to read, than you don't belong here, than you follow Marc on twitter and facebook and you'll get all you need

a mailing list might be a way to reach out at really concerned people

Randall, I do follow you, I would love to see live streaming at furtherfield events, possibilities to connect directly to visitors and the exhibiting/eventing artists - it would be great! (but again who will organise that?) i would love to be able to ask them concrete questions about the relation art and environment where it is showed, their presentation and the public's reaction.



On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Randall Packer <rpacker at zakros.com> wrote:
Rob, this is an interesting point and one I have been thinking a lot about: why are new media discussions using list software that is perhaps 20 years old, which don’t allow for the possibilities of embedded media, avatars, search, database, etc. (I know there is a Web version of this, but who looks at?) For me, there is a  paradox here. Many complain about the glut of email in their lives, and yet lists are perhaps the number one producer of email for those who subscribe to lists. Is it because email is still our main channel of communication, the go to for correspondence, discussion, social media notifications, etc? Matt Mullenweg, the founder of Wordpress, never uses email for business communication, rather P2, a bulletin board web-based interface where he can follow everyone’s conversations in a threaded, searchable environment. He claims this to be the future of social networks, and I tend to agree, but it takes commitment among the community to learn to use the new tools. I am not condemning listserves here, they serve a great purpose and they are super-easy to use. However, we all have to admit it is an antiquated system and there is no reason really not to overhaul the whole thing and move into the 21st century.

OK, I expect to be heavily criticized here, but that’s my position. :)

On 10/1/15, 10:41 PM, "Rob Myers" <netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org on behalf of rob at robmyers.org> wrote:

>On 01/10/15 02:21 AM, ruth catlow wrote:
>> But I too have had a feeling of un-ease about a disconnect with the
>> conversations that happen here on the list. This list is one of my
>> favourite places, and yet I find it hard to advocate for it, to people
>> who are not already here. Perhaps because email has now acquired toxic
>> associations for many people because of the demands it places on
>> 'immaterial labourers'.
>They're all exploited via apps now aren't they? :-)
>At the risk of solutionism, modern discussion systems provide web forum
>-style interfaces to mailing lists (and vice versa).
>- Rob.
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