[NetBehaviour] NetBehaviour Digest, Vol 2502, Issue 1

Alan Sondheim sondheim at panix.com
Sun Oct 4 02:07:20 CEST 2015

I agree re below (as far as I understand it, just coming back from NY); 
email btw goes all the way back to the origins of the Net (I have the two 
earliest manuals on how to use the Net here), around 45 years ago. The 
reason is that discussion works, that it opens vistas, that it creates an 
environment for thinking; for me, we might as well say that when we talk 
to each other f2f, we ought to bring along smartphones, whiteboards, etc. 
Empyre is an excellent example of the depths an email list can reach in 
protracted discussion, and one can and does always add urls of course.

Apologies if off-subject here, Alan, catching up still

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015, Kenneth Fields wrote:

> hi,
> I?ve been reading Weiner?s ?human use of human beings.?
> around pages 120-2, he?s talking about legacy and infrastructure issues
> which you could certainly apply to the technology of the listserv itself.
> Countries are at a disadvantage when upgrading
> infrastructure/weapons/transportation
> as opposed to creating entirely new next generation systems from scratch
> (China).
> There will always be a next thing.
> In short, don?t change a thing. The listserv does a good job at
> what it does. it doesn?t have to do everything. Your thread this month is 
> ?what should we do?? and it is serving its purpose in the form of a 
> threaded conversation - though it certainly has strayed from the
> ?interview with geert? subject heading. Keep threading.
> You don?t need to shoulder all responsibility yourself, especially
> when new models are moving toward p2p, decentralization/federation,
> systems like GnuSocial (based on oStatus), as mentioned by someone below.
> @Everyone?s view will be different in a mesh of crisscrossing
> conversation/feeds.
> #Keep_meshing.
> All you have to do with gnusocial is take off the message limit (making
> it more bloggy/macro than 160-character-micro-twittery). We run our own 
> gnusocial theme at artsmesh.io. Though I don?t access it from a browser,
> but use the app Artsmesh [caution: mac os beta] which runs your p2p
> streaming 
> studio and then broadcasts when you want to reach a wider audience (new
> tv/radio).
> It has network tools to test the intercontinental delay and bandwidth
> situation; multiple 
> clocks, tempos and timezones, Ipv6 enabled, etc.
> For the serious, communication obsessed professionals (many of us in new
> media),
> there has to be a system that lives up to a metaphor like presence
> engineering/design.
> But for those without the time, email/listservs are still there - and while
> we?re at it,
> long live wiki?s and moos too!
> Ken
> Kenneth Fields, Ph.D.
> Professor Computer Music
> CEMC - China Electronic Music Center
> Central Conservatory of Music
> 43 BaoJia Street
> Beijing 100031 China,
> Email: ken at ccom.edu.cn
> http://syneme.ccom.edu.cn
> Tel:    13701188130
>       Message: 1
>       Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 12:03:51 +0100
>       From: ruth catlow <ruth.catlow at furtherfield.org>
>       To: netbehaviour at netbehaviour.org
>       Subject: [NetBehaviour] Solutionism Re:  An interview with Geert
>       Lovink
>       Message-ID: <560E6497.3080001 at furtherfield.org>
>       Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>       Thanks Rob for your solutionist approach.
>       I knew about groupserver but not discourse.
>       So now in the new spirit of openness...
>       Another ongoing and mildly anxt-ridden backroom discussion at
>       Furtherfield HQ (first think Google and then try to imagine the
>       opposite) is about an approach to renewing and maintaining our
>       web-infrastructure.
>       The website runs of Drupal - excellent FOSS community software -
>       which
>       will soon need to be upgraded.
>       Netbehaviour runs off Mailman - we will have to soon move or
>       re-host the
>       Netbehaviour list somewhere/somehow else, because a number of
>       the major
>       mail providers appear to be starting to refuse to service this
>       kind of
>       email discussion list (to which Michael and a number of other
>       patient
>       and diligent subscribers will testify)
>       Two issues
>       1) the cost and time associated with strategising, consulting,
>       designing, planning and remunerating all involved, for their
>       efforts
>       while: future-proofing community infrastructure, caring for the
>       archive/database. We have had some really very good and generous
>       support
>       from a number of people to help us understand what the process
>       might be,
>       but the work still needs doing...and all risks mitigated!
>       2) connected to the above - maintaining the connections we all
>       have,
>       while inviting in new and diverse (in age, background,
>       device-loyalty,
>       ethnicity) people.
>       We can't underestimate the scale of the work involved in
>       bridging new
>       and legacy systems.
>       We think we need money to do this because so many people in this
>       network
>       are already so generous with their energy.
>       We are leaving no stone unturned to find/earn/generate the money
>       and
>       this also takes time.
>       We aren't there yet.
>       Respect,
>       R

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