[NetBehaviour] Communication in Online Communities

aharon aha at aharonic.net
Tue Oct 6 06:34:02 CEST 2015

Yes am with Johannes + Allan on the values of NB.
Also, seems Alan has an interesting point re possible multiple tools for
various discussions. Might actually be cool for the various tests

On Mon, October 5, 2015 18:40, Johannes Birringer wrote:

> I understand well and am in support of everything Alan has just written
> and said about Netbehavior, I hope this list continues and grows as it must
> have over the past.  (And apologies for my 'stone fence' post the other
> day as it must have been a distraction, but I had meant to respond to
> something that John had written).
> regards Johannes Birringer
> ________________________________________
> From: netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org
> [netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Alan Sondheim
> [sondheim at panix.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 3:05 PM
> Netbehaviour has been one of my mainstays for discovering new work, new
> artists, new ideas; the urls serve me and I can easily follow through from
>  them. And I can't imagine having even this discussion, say, on Wordpress
>  or Fb; one of the advantages of email is that it arrives without its own
>  platform, or with minimalized platforms or with self-designed platforms;
>  it's as close to discussion we can have if we include, obviously,
> buffering and communality (Skype isn't good at either for example). Fb
> discussions trail out and disperse as well; G+ was, if I remember
> correctly, supposed to be a discussion platform, but again that seemed to
>  collapse, just as newsgroups did. To bring an antique acronym back for a
>  second, email is wysiwyg; it's platform independent. I'd say a
> potentially simple solution would be to have a Furtherfield studio for
> open presentations, projects, etc., running on a separate server. As far
> as changing the demographics of the list - that's another problem and an
> important one, and it seems to me that people who are teaching in
> university or say k 9-12 (in the U.S.) might be able to bring students
> in; I used to do that with other lists when I had a position. For myself,
> I
> find a kind of skittering underlying the discussion and I worry about that;
> philosophy, new media aesthetics, etc., are difficult topics, there are a
> lot of exploratory/explanatory sites out there, and the value of this
> list, like empyre, is that it creates a focus; I take what I learn here
> and it becomes part of my day in a way that Fb posts don't, Wired.com
> doesn't, etc. The commons like the stoa are a place of discussion and
> hopefully a kind of quietude that provides the grounds for discussion -
> as an example, I learned far more about anguish on the extended
> presentations on empyre (when Johannes and I co-moderated a discussion on
> absolute terror, ISIS, and performance), than I did on all the
> fast-forward and intermittent talk/presentations elsewhere. I was able to
> follow through with the buffering, url extensions, and even chat/skype
> that came out of it. I'm on Fb, blogs, G+, news, etc. daily, but here I
> can contemplate in an entirely different way, one close, in fact, to
> nature, to what's left of the natural environment (and there are a number
> of studies indicating that such is good for your health, not only
> mentally, but also physically) - so I would argue that we keep this core
> as it is, extend the demography, as much as possible, and build elsewhere.
> (As a final note, I tend to read
> most of my email in a linux terminal; the advantage is even less graphics,
>  no advertising, and a kind of textual presentation that approaches
> Vygotsky's inner speech. I remember more, think more, etc., but of course
>  this isn't for everyone and I use gmail, Fb messaging as well.) - Alan,
> thanks for a great discussion -
> On Mon, 5 Oct 2015, Randall Packer wrote:
>> I want to express a note of thanks to all those who have been
>> participating in this interesting conversation. I have also adjusted the
>> topic because we abandoned Geert?s interview long ago.
>> I think this is a fascinating and relevant discussion for NetBehaviour
>> and I too hope it will lead to a more focused discussion that could
>> potentially lead to action. But in the meantime, it is an important
>> conversation, because there are many here and elsewhere who are
>> grappling with information flows among online communities: grappling
>> with the conservation of knowledge,
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