[NetBehaviour] dismal news and from Mother Jones -

Alan Sondheim sondheim at panix.com
Sun Sep 6 16:36:47 CEST 2015



Yes, but I'd reverse the chart labels!

- Alan (always suspicious of situationism) (not looking for another 
argument) (just got up)

On Sun, 6 Sep 2015, ruth catlow wrote:

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> Above: (left) /Scientific Diagramme/ (right) /Drawing of a quote from The Joy 
> of Revolution by Ken Knabb//
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> Please accept my contribution to the conversation (above).
> Very appreciative of the efforts by all here to make sense and meaning. Thank 
> you.
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> Ruth
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> On 06/09/15 07:29, Antye Greie-Ripatti wrote:
>> thanks for sharing your thoughts? on all ends, i just want to say, it means 
>> something
>> 
>> in regards to syria, i read this this morning and it helped a bit to 
>> understand (cause also Putin is playing)
>> http://www.vox.com/2015/9/5/9265621/syrian-refugee-charts
>> 
>> like all conflicts these days they have so many layers and the complexity 
>> and depth,
>> like Ukraine for instance, which is ongoing and severe too
>> people also leaving the country constantly?
>> 
>> etc
>> 
>> blaming could be also called history writing/ rewriting understanding
>> and its is super important and all crisis are US crises too, cause they 
>> been playing hard!
>> 
>> but solutions --->
>> 
>>> The enormous profits which Halliburton and Cheney won should be taxed and 
>>> paid to the refugees they created with the obscene Iraq war, a war based 
>>> on lies and at flagrant crime against international law and common sense.
>> 
>> true!
>> 
>> keep spreading
>> 
>> i just re-read the entire "vietnam war' wikipedia entry yesterday cause 
>> suddenly i couldnt remember WHY there was a war
>> i wanted to explain my daughter
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> insane
>> 
>> sorry, fragmented comments
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 12:59 AM, Ana Vald?s <agora158 at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:agora158 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Alan you have been in the Middle East as I has been. Israel receives 
>>> per year billions of American support both military and economic. Without 
>>> the American support Israel could not manage the fences in the West Bank 
>>> and in Gaza.
>>> They cost millions to keep. The new fence, separating the town of Bethlem 
>>> in two, is cutting the Catholic monastery of Cremisan, which vineyards has 
>>> been the only working place for hundreds of Palestinian families, in two. 
>>> The Palestinian are not going any longer to access the vineyards.
>>> The US was the heir of the colonial European and was the kingmaker of the 
>>> region for years. The Marines derrocated the Iranian first minister In 
>>> 1954 because he wanted to nationalise the oil and manage the wells without 
>>> the American oil companies. It's not me "blaming the US" without 
>>> historical facts. The same facts Eisenhower stated when he said "we are 
>>> the hostages of the military industrial establishment".
>>> My point is: who toppled Saddam and Ghadaffi and who has been supporting 
>>> Assad all these years? The US economical and geopolitical strategies has 
>>> created the refugees which are fleeing today the region and they are seen 
>>> by politicians, weapon dealers, war mongers and bankers as "collateral 
>>> damage".
>>> That's my point why we are not seen in these days the same rallies to 
>>> support the refugees we are seen in Europe?
>>> You say "US is giving more than many other countries". But that's the most 
>>> bizarre paradox: The US is taking with a hand and giving with the other 
>>> hand.
>>> The enormous profits which Halliburton and Cheney won should be taxed and 
>>> paid to the refugees they created with the obscene Iraq war, a war based 
>>> on lies and at flagrant crime against international law and common sense.
>>> Ana
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Skickat fr?n min iPhone
>>> 
>>>> 4 sep 2015 kl. 18:17 skrev Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com 
>>>> <mailto:sondheim at panix.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> But the refugees ARE a European problem, and France was in the mid-east 
>>>> as well, England had its empire, Belgium its Leopold. You keep going 
>>>> after blame after blame after blame. Why not ask why the US is doing 
>>>> little? Apparently it's giving a lot more aid than other countries (think 
>>>> that was in the Guardian, I might be able to track the source down) 
>>>> combined. And Europe would not be taking refugees in, were they not 
>>>> coming across "its" borders. That's not the case here; what is the case 
>>>> is the horrific xenophobia which is placing the U.S. under lockdown. I 
>>>> see lots of calls for humanitarian support and aid, very little for 
>>>> bringing refugees over - I'm also not sure how that would be done, where 
>>>> they would come from - and this in the case of brutal opposition to the 
>>>> 11 million (apparently) undocumented workers/migrants here from central 
>>>> and south America - which is obviously far more than the total migrants 
>>>> to date in Europe. I'd like to see ALL refugees everywhere legalized; I 
>>>> can't do anything re: Europe, but we voice our opposition here to the 
>>>> Republican party and its proto- fascistic take on the world. That's 
>>>> pretty much all I can say about it.
>>>> 
>>>> - Alan
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015, Ana Vald?s wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> We see in the whole European world ppl gathering in supporting the 
>>>>> refugees
>>>>> biking to Calais from London with tents food and medicines in Stockholm
>>>>> where I lived for almost my whole adult life thousands of families are
>>>>> offering to open their houses to refugees.
>>>>> And I am talking about a country with a xenophobe party with almost one
>>>>> million voters.
>>>>> Alan and the Americans in this list what are the US doing? I don't mean 
>>>>> the
>>>>> government but the ppl where are the rallies to help the refugees from 
>>>>> the
>>>>> Middle East, a region in turmoil since the wars started by the US and 
>>>>> their
>>>>> geopolitical strategies?
>>>>> The refugees can't be an European problem.
>>>>> Ana
>>>>> El sep 4, 2015 2:39 PM, "Alan Sondheim" <sondheim at panix.com 
>>>>> <mailto:sondheim at panix.com>> escribi?:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Germany is set to take in 800,000 refugees by the end of the
>>>>>     year.
>>>>>
>>>>>     America, a country that won two World Wars, went to the moon,
>>>>>     and did "the other things," has taken in, well, far fewer.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Quoth the Guardian:
>>>>>
>>>>>         The US has admitted approximately 1,500 Syrian refugees
>>>>>     since the beginning of the civil war there in 2011, mostly
>>>>>     within the last fiscal year. Since April, the number of admitted
>>>>>     refugees has more than doubled from an estimate of 700.
>>>>>         ...
>>>>>
>>>>>         Anna Greene, IRCs director of policy & advocacy for US
>>>>>     programs, said the 1,500 people the US has admitted thus far
>>>>>     doesnt even begin to scratch the surface of what is needed and
>>>>>     what could really make a difference.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Oxfam wants the US to up that number to 70,000 by the end of
>>>>>     2016.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Correction: This post and its headline originally said that
>>>>>     Germany planned to take in 800,000 Syrian refugees by the end of
>>>>>     the year. That is incorrect. It is 800,000 refugees total.
>>>>>
>>>>>     - Alan
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