[NetBehaviour] dismal news and from Mother Jones -
ruth catlow
ruth.catlow at furtherfield.org
Sun Sep 6 19:01:09 CEST 2015
I won't pick an argument with you about Situationism: )
but i must defend the symbolic precision of the pie chart!
not because science isn't a good way of knowing things
but because science only knows how to know things scientifically.
and it cannot (because of its nature) know the vastness and
multi-faceted worlds of reality to which it cannot even begin to apply
its knowledge acquisition tools.
For this reason I also think it is a particularly good joke!
I paired it with the Situationism quote because it encourages an
attitude of curiosity towards things that otherwise horrify and
terrify... (and therefore debilitate)
On 06/09/15 15:36, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>
>
> Yes, but I'd reverse the chart labels!
>
> - Alan (always suspicious of situationism) (not looking for another
> argument) (just got up)
>
> On Sun, 6 Sep 2015, ruth catlow wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Above: (left) /Scientific Diagramme/ (right) /Drawing of a quote from
>> The Joy of Revolution by Ken Knabb//
>> /
>> Please accept my contribution to the conversation (above).
>> Very appreciative of the efforts by all here to make sense and
>> meaning. Thank you.
>>
>> Ruth
>>
>>
>>
>> On 06/09/15 07:29, Antye Greie-Ripatti wrote:
>>> thanks for sharing your thoughts? on all ends, i just want to say,
>>> it means something
>>>
>>> in regards to syria, i read this this morning and it helped a bit to
>>> understand (cause also Putin is playing)
>>> http://www.vox.com/2015/9/5/9265621/syrian-refugee-charts
>>>
>>> like all conflicts these days they have so many layers and the
>>> complexity and depth,
>>> like Ukraine for instance, which is ongoing and severe too
>>> people also leaving the country constantly?
>>>
>>> etc
>>>
>>> blaming could be also called history writing/ rewriting understanding
>>> and its is super important and all crisis are US crises too, cause
>>> they been playing hard!
>>>
>>> but solutions --->
>>>
>>>> The enormous profits which Halliburton and Cheney won should be
>>>> taxed and paid to the refugees they created with the obscene Iraq
>>>> war, a war based on lies and at flagrant crime against
>>>> international law and common sense.
>>>
>>> true!
>>>
>>> keep spreading
>>>
>>> i just re-read the entire "vietnam war' wikipedia entry yesterday
>>> cause suddenly i couldnt remember WHY there was a war
>>> i wanted to explain my daughter
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> insane
>>>
>>> sorry, fragmented comments
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 12:59 AM, Ana Vald?s <agora158 at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:agora158 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Alan you have been in the Middle East as I has been. Israel
>>>> receives per year billions of American support both military and
>>>> economic. Without the American support Israel could not manage the
>>>> fences in the West Bank and in Gaza.
>>>> They cost millions to keep. The new fence, separating the town of
>>>> Bethlem in two, is cutting the Catholic monastery of Cremisan,
>>>> which vineyards has been the only working place for hundreds of
>>>> Palestinian families, in two. The Palestinian are not going any
>>>> longer to access the vineyards.
>>>> The US was the heir of the colonial European and was the kingmaker
>>>> of the region for years. The Marines derrocated the Iranian first
>>>> minister In 1954 because he wanted to nationalise the oil and
>>>> manage the wells without the American oil companies. It's not me
>>>> "blaming the US" without historical facts. The same facts
>>>> Eisenhower stated when he said "we are the hostages of the military
>>>> industrial establishment".
>>>> My point is: who toppled Saddam and Ghadaffi and who has been
>>>> supporting Assad all these years? The US economical and
>>>> geopolitical strategies has created the refugees which are fleeing
>>>> today the region and they are seen by politicians, weapon dealers,
>>>> war mongers and bankers as "collateral damage".
>>>> That's my point why we are not seen in these days the same rallies
>>>> to support the refugees we are seen in Europe?
>>>> You say "US is giving more than many other countries". But that's
>>>> the most bizarre paradox: The US is taking with a hand and giving
>>>> with the other hand.
>>>> The enormous profits which Halliburton and Cheney won should be
>>>> taxed and paid to the refugees they created with the obscene Iraq
>>>> war, a war based on lies and at flagrant crime against
>>>> international law and common sense.
>>>> Ana
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Skickat fr?n min iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> 4 sep 2015 kl. 18:17 skrev Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com
>>>>> <mailto:sondheim at panix.com>>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But the refugees ARE a European problem, and France was in the
>>>>> mid-east as well, England had its empire, Belgium its Leopold. You
>>>>> keep going after blame after blame after blame. Why not ask why
>>>>> the US is doing little? Apparently it's giving a lot more aid than
>>>>> other countries (think that was in the Guardian, I might be able
>>>>> to track the source down) combined. And Europe would not be taking
>>>>> refugees in, were they not coming across "its" borders. That's not
>>>>> the case here; what is the case is the horrific xenophobia which
>>>>> is placing the U.S. under lockdown. I see lots of calls for
>>>>> humanitarian support and aid, very little for bringing refugees
>>>>> over - I'm also not sure how that would be done, where they would
>>>>> come from - and this in the case of brutal opposition to the 11
>>>>> million (apparently) undocumented workers/migrants here from
>>>>> central and south America - which is obviously far more than the
>>>>> total migrants to date in Europe. I'd like to see ALL refugees
>>>>> everywhere legalized; I can't do anything re: Europe, but we voice
>>>>> our opposition here to the Republican party and its proto-
>>>>> fascistic take on the world. That's pretty much all I can say
>>>>> about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Alan
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015, Ana Vald?s wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We see in the whole European world ppl gathering in supporting
>>>>>> the refugees
>>>>>> biking to Calais from London with tents food and medicines in
>>>>>> Stockholm
>>>>>> where I lived for almost my whole adult life thousands of
>>>>>> families are
>>>>>> offering to open their houses to refugees.
>>>>>> And I am talking about a country with a xenophobe party with
>>>>>> almost one
>>>>>> million voters.
>>>>>> Alan and the Americans in this list what are the US doing? I
>>>>>> don't mean the
>>>>>> government but the ppl where are the rallies to help the refugees
>>>>>> from the
>>>>>> Middle East, a region in turmoil since the wars started by the US
>>>>>> and their
>>>>>> geopolitical strategies?
>>>>>> The refugees can't be an European problem.
>>>>>> Ana
>>>>>> El sep 4, 2015 2:39 PM, "Alan Sondheim" <sondheim at panix.com
>>>>>> <mailto:sondheim at panix.com>> escribi?:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Germany is set to take in 800,000 refugees by the end of the
>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> America, a country that won two World Wars, went to the moon,
>>>>>> and did "the other things," has taken in, well, far fewer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quoth the Guardian:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The US has admitted approximately 1,500 Syrian refugees
>>>>>> since the beginning of the civil war there in 2011, mostly
>>>>>> within the last fiscal year. Since April, the number of admitted
>>>>>> refugees has more than doubled from an estimate of 700.
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anna Greene, IRCs director of policy & advocacy for US
>>>>>> programs, said the 1,500 people the US has admitted thus far
>>>>>> doesnt even begin to scratch the surface of what is needed and
>>>>>> what could really make a difference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oxfam wants the US to up that number to 70,000 by the end of
>>>>>> 2016.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Correction: This post and its headline originally said that
>>>>>> Germany planned to take in 800,000 Syrian refugees by the end of
>>>>>> the year. That is incorrect. It is 800,000 refugees total.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Alan
>>>>>>
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