[NetBehaviour] dismal news and from Mother Jones -

Alan Sondheim sondheim at panix.com
Sun Sep 6 19:13:51 CEST 2015


it's also science that deals with the horror, albeit differently - the 
studies done of desertification for example in the mid-east.

science knows more than scientifically in the same way that art knows more 
than artistically, etc. - for me, the reason I'm interested in cosmology 
and particle physics, it gives me an idea where we've come from, what's 
out there, what we're made of, etc. and it extends my knowledge beyond 
what's given to us as human perception.

certainly it knows (not science, which knows nothing, but scientists) are 
motivated by the vastness of the world...

and science as much as any other field deals with what horrifies and 
debilitates, think of ebola for example...

Alan (who secretly likes situationism, but not its reification)

On Sun, 6 Sep 2015, ruth catlow wrote:

> I won't pick an argument with you about Situationism: )
>
> but i must defend the symbolic precision of the pie chart!
>
> not because science isn't a good way of knowing things
> but because science only knows how to know things scientifically.
> and it cannot (because of its nature) know the vastness and multi-faceted 
> worlds of reality to which it cannot even begin to apply its knowledge 
> acquisition tools.
>
> For this reason I also think it is a particularly good joke!
>
> I paired it with the Situationism quote because it encourages an attitude of 
> curiosity towards things that otherwise horrify and terrify... (and therefore 
> debilitate)
>
>
> On 06/09/15 15:36, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, but I'd reverse the chart labels!
>> 
>> - Alan (always suspicious of situationism) (not looking for another 
>> argument) (just got up)
>> 
>> On Sun, 6 Sep 2015, ruth catlow wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Above: (left) /Scientific Diagramme/ (right) /Drawing of a quote from The 
>>> Joy of Revolution by Ken Knabb//
>>> /
>>> Please accept my contribution to the conversation (above).
>>> Very appreciative of the efforts by all here to make sense and meaning. 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Ruth
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 06/09/15 07:29, Antye Greie-Ripatti wrote:
>>>> thanks for sharing your thoughts? on all ends, i just want to say, it 
>>>> means something
>>>> 
>>>> in regards to syria, i read this this morning and it helped a bit to 
>>>> understand (cause also Putin is playing)
>>>> http://www.vox.com/2015/9/5/9265621/syrian-refugee-charts
>>>> 
>>>> like all conflicts these days they have so many layers and the complexity 
>>>> and depth,
>>>> like Ukraine for instance, which is ongoing and severe too
>>>> people also leaving the country constantly?
>>>> 
>>>> etc
>>>> 
>>>> blaming could be also called history writing/ rewriting understanding
>>>> and its is super important and all crisis are US crises too, cause they 
>>>> been playing hard!
>>>> 
>>>> but solutions --->
>>>> 
>>>>> The enormous profits which Halliburton and Cheney won should be taxed 
>>>>> and paid to the refugees they created with the obscene Iraq war, a war 
>>>>> based on lies and at flagrant crime against international law and common 
>>>>> sense.
>>>> 
>>>> true!
>>>> 
>>>> keep spreading
>>>> 
>>>> i just re-read the entire "vietnam war' wikipedia entry yesterday cause 
>>>> suddenly i couldnt remember WHY there was a war
>>>> i wanted to explain my daughter
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> 
>>>> insane
>>>> 
>>>> sorry, fragmented comments
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 12:59 AM, Ana Vald?s <agora158 at gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:agora158 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Alan you have been in the Middle East as I has been. Israel 
>>>>> receives per year billions of American support both military and 
>>>>> economic. Without the American support Israel could not manage the 
>>>>> fences in the West Bank and in Gaza.
>>>>> They cost millions to keep. The new fence, separating the town of 
>>>>> Bethlem in two, is cutting the Catholic monastery of Cremisan, which 
>>>>> vineyards has been the only working place for hundreds of Palestinian 
>>>>> families, in two. The Palestinian are not going any longer to access the 
>>>>> vineyards.
>>>>> The US was the heir of the colonial European and was the kingmaker of 
>>>>> the region for years. The Marines derrocated the Iranian first minister 
>>>>> In 1954 because he wanted to nationalise the oil and manage the wells 
>>>>> without the American oil companies. It's not me "blaming the US" without 
>>>>> historical facts. The same facts Eisenhower stated when he said "we are 
>>>>> the hostages of the military industrial establishment".
>>>>> My point is: who toppled Saddam and Ghadaffi and who has been supporting 
>>>>> Assad all these years? The US economical and geopolitical strategies has 
>>>>> created the refugees which are fleeing today the region and they are 
>>>>> seen by politicians, weapon dealers, war mongers and bankers as 
>>>>> "collateral damage".
>>>>> That's my point why we are not seen in these days the same rallies to 
>>>>> support the refugees we are seen in Europe?
>>>>> You say "US is giving more than many other countries". But that's the 
>>>>> most bizarre paradox: The US is taking with a hand and giving with the 
>>>>> other hand.
>>>>> The enormous profits which Halliburton and Cheney won should be taxed 
>>>>> and paid to the refugees they created with the obscene Iraq war, a war 
>>>>> based on lies and at flagrant crime against international law and common 
>>>>> sense.
>>>>> Ana
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Skickat fr?n min iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 4 sep 2015 kl. 18:17 skrev Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:sondheim at panix.com>>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But the refugees ARE a European problem, and France was in the mid-east 
>>>>>> as well, England had its empire, Belgium its Leopold. You keep going 
>>>>>> after blame after blame after blame. Why not ask why the US is doing 
>>>>>> little? Apparently it's giving a lot more aid than other countries 
>>>>>> (think that was in the Guardian, I might be able to track the source 
>>>>>> down) combined. And Europe would not be taking refugees in, were they 
>>>>>> not coming across "its" borders. That's not the case here; what is the 
>>>>>> case is the horrific xenophobia which is placing the U.S. under 
>>>>>> lockdown. I see lots of calls for humanitarian support and aid, very 
>>>>>> little for bringing refugees over - I'm also not sure how that would be 
>>>>>> done, where they would come from - and this in the case of brutal 
>>>>>> opposition to the 11 million (apparently) undocumented workers/migrants 
>>>>>> here from central and south America - which is obviously far more than 
>>>>>> the total migrants to date in Europe. I'd like to see ALL refugees 
>>>>>> everywhere legalized; I can't do anything re: Europe, but we voice our 
>>>>>> opposition here to the Republican party and its proto- fascistic take 
>>>>>> on the world. That's pretty much all I can say about it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Alan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015, Ana Vald?s wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We see in the whole European world ppl gathering in supporting the 
>>>>>>> refugees
>>>>>>> biking to Calais from London with tents food and medicines in 
>>>>>>> Stockholm
>>>>>>> where I lived for almost my whole adult life thousands of families are
>>>>>>> offering to open their houses to refugees.
>>>>>>> And I am talking about a country with a xenophobe party with almost 
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> million voters.
>>>>>>> Alan and the Americans in this list what are the US doing? I don't 
>>>>>>> mean the
>>>>>>> government but the ppl where are the rallies to help the refugees from 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Middle East, a region in turmoil since the wars started by the US and 
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> geopolitical strategies?
>>>>>>> The refugees can't be an European problem.
>>>>>>> Ana
>>>>>>> El sep 4, 2015 2:39 PM, "Alan Sondheim" <sondheim at panix.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:sondheim at panix.com>> escribi?:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Germany is set to take in 800,000 refugees by the end of the
>>>>>>>     year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     America, a country that won two World Wars, went to the moon,
>>>>>>>     and did "the other things," has taken in, well, far fewer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Quoth the Guardian:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         The US has admitted approximately 1,500 Syrian refugees
>>>>>>>     since the beginning of the civil war there in 2011, mostly
>>>>>>>     within the last fiscal year. Since April, the number of admitted
>>>>>>>     refugees has more than doubled from an estimate of 700.
>>>>>>>         ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Anna Greene, IRCs director of policy & advocacy for US
>>>>>>>     programs, said the 1,500 people the US has admitted thus far
>>>>>>>     doesnt even begin to scratch the surface of what is needed and
>>>>>>>     what could really make a difference.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Oxfam wants the US to up that number to 70,000 by the end of
>>>>>>>     2016.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Correction: This post and its headline originally said that
>>>>>>>     Germany planned to take in 800,000 Syrian refugees by the end of
>>>>>>>     the year. That is incorrect. It is 800,000 refugees total.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     - Alan
>>>>>>>
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