[NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink

Alan Sondheim sondheim at panix.com
Wed Sep 30 17:06:22 CEST 2015

We have almost no access in NYC oddly enough so I haven't really 
participated here, but it seems to me that Netbehaviour/Furtherfield are 
ideal in their scale and openness/TAZ all the way down, not so T thank god 

On Wed, 30 Sep 2015, Annie Abrahams wrote:

> I am one of those who isn't really waiting for curators to pick up digital
> art. The so-called art world is institutional, capitalistic, elitist - it
> thrives on money.
> In this article Geert says something very interesting to me :
> " We need to design new ?stages? where we can act out our collective resistance.
> I am very interested in new forms of organization (called orgnets) and how
> these cells can become ?crowd crystals? for new discourses. Later on we can see
> how these things scale up. Right now we need more experimentation, temporary
> autonomous zones where discussion can thrive. I fear this will not happen
> inside the monopoly social media (obviously) but maybe also not on the open
> internet as we know it as these public spaces are terrorized by trolls and
> controlled by bots. In this turbulent yet fragile global condition, what the
> world needs is semi-closed networks."
> I don't even know what orgnets are, nor crowd crystals, but it triggers my
> imagination and Netbehaviour does seem to be an exemple of the semi-closed
> networks he mentions.
> Question: Is netbehaviour semi-closed?
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Paul Hertz <ignotus at gmail.com> wrote:
>       Well, happy to post polemics, it's a kind of a hobby. :^}.
> I think there has been a tendency for mainstream curators to approach
> more recent digitally-mediated works as if they were in effect a sort
> of hybrid old media, while still neglecting both historical and
> current "pure" digital media. This has meant that certain kinds of
> digital hard copy (modded photographic prints, collage and drawings,
> and even 3D printing == "post-digital") can be welcomed while the
> internet as a platform is generally ignored. I don't have any more
> evidence for this than observation, and I have felt that the situation
> for digital art was improving over the last ten years. OTOH, I can
> readily understand the impatience.
> -- Paul
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 7:56 AM, dave miller
> <dave.miller.uk at gmail.com> wrote:
>       I think Geert is probably correct though - seems to me the
>       art "establishment" aren't interested in internet/ digital
>       art, though maybe they have a different view of it from us
>       on here.  The art world remains a mystery to me, so I may
>       well be wrong. Thank god for Furtherfield, and I would
>       love to know who are the curators 'not' scared of it.
> What's the ?post-digital? bandwagon?
> Dave
> On 30 September 2015 at 13:48, Annie Abrahams
> <bram.org at gmail.com> wrote:
>       don't be small, don't think sectarism
> Geert is closer to "us" than most "others"
> get in contact with him, explain and connect, use his
> critical energy
> invite him to curate, to build, to discuss
> xxx
> Annie
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:40 PM, NIKOS V
> <nikos.vv at gmail.com> wrote:
>       I see the relevance in this approach,
>       allthough  I have to say its allready to late
>       for that criticism no?
> Moreover, is he really interested in art? 
> If yes, as Marc says, where are the references and
> the names ?
> And why is Venice Biennial important?To whom????
> 2015-09-30 15:36 GMT+03:00 marc.garrett
> <marc.garrett at furtherfield.org>:
>       Hi Paul,
>       Geert needs to be more specific and
>       highlight the curators who are 'not'
>       scared and who have been showing
>       technical artwork such as Furtherifeld &
>       others - his words are not grounded and
>       are too absolute, they do not reflect
>       reality...
>       marc
> http://conversations.e-flux.com/t/geert-lovink-on-social-media-and-the-arts
>             /2581
> "The absence at the 2015 Venice Bienale
> of digital arts and internet works says
> it all. Curators are afraid to admit
> they are clueless and continue their
> ignorant attitude towards art that deals
> with the digital in a direct matter
> (while checking their smart phone).
> Everyone jumps on the ?post-digital?
> bandwagon because that?s cute and safe.
> [...] Curators and critics are more than
> happy to embrace the race, gender, even
> the anthroposcene (whatever that is),
> but are blind for the techno-politics of
> the equipment and media they are using
> themselves so intensely. The
> contradictions are becoming absurd.
> Video was the last technology they had
> to deal with, but then it stopped."
> ? Geert Lovink
> //
> enjoy, 
> -- Paul

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