[NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink

Paul Hertz ignotus at gmail.com
Wed Sep 30 17:14:09 CEST 2015

Yeah, FurtherField/NetBehaviour mighty outpost of community and critical
thinking, I'm all for ya! Interesting that "ancient" listserv technology
supports this conversation.

Reflecting on the physical presence of network and digital media, at a
local level I have had some important support from the Ukrainian Institute
for Modern Art, a neighborhood organization with a fantastic space,
operating on good will and scant funds. I have curated three shows of new
media art for them, the first in 1999, and two in the last two years. The
gallery scene of small independent spaces in Chicago digs new media far
more than the mainstream, where it barely registers.

-- Paul

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com> wrote:

> We have almost no access in NYC oddly enough so I haven't really
> participated here, but it seems to me that Netbehaviour/Furtherfield are
> ideal in their scale and openness/TAZ all the way down, not so T thank god -
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2015, Annie Abrahams wrote:
> I am one of those who isn't really waiting for curators to pick up digital
>> art. The so-called art world is institutional, capitalistic, elitist - it
>> thrives on money.
>> In this article Geert says something very interesting to me :
>> " We need to design new ?stages? where we can act out our collective
>> resistance.
>> I am very interested in new forms of organization (called orgnets) and how
>> these cells can become ?crowd crystals? for new discourses. Later on we
>> can see
>> how these things scale up. Right now we need more experimentation,
>> temporary
>> autonomous zones where discussion can thrive. I fear this will not happen
>> inside the monopoly social media (obviously) but maybe also not on the
>> open
>> internet as we know it as these public spaces are terrorized by trolls and
>> controlled by bots. In this turbulent yet fragile global condition, what
>> the
>> world needs is semi-closed networks."
>> I don't even know what orgnets are, nor crowd crystals, but it triggers my
>> imagination and Netbehaviour does seem to be an exemple of the semi-closed
>> networks he mentions.
>> Question: Is netbehaviour semi-closed?
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Paul Hertz <ignotus at gmail.com> wrote:
>>       Well, happy to post polemics, it's a kind of a hobby. :^}.
>> I think there has been a tendency for mainstream curators to approach
>> more recent digitally-mediated works as if they were in effect a sort
>> of hybrid old media, while still neglecting both historical and
>> current "pure" digital media. This has meant that certain kinds of
>> digital hard copy (modded photographic prints, collage and drawings,
>> and even 3D printing == "post-digital") can be welcomed while the
>> internet as a platform is generally ignored. I don't have any more
>> evidence for this than observation, and I have felt that the situation
>> for digital art was improving over the last ten years. OTOH, I can
>> readily understand the impatience.
>> -- Paul
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 7:56 AM, dave miller
>> <dave.miller.uk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>       I think Geert is probably correct though - seems to me the
>>       art "establishment" aren't interested in internet/ digital
>>       art, though maybe they have a different view of it from us
>>       on here.  The art world remains a mystery to me, so I may
>>       well be wrong. Thank god for Furtherfield, and I would
>>       love to know who are the curators 'not' scared of it.
>> What's the ?post-digital? bandwagon?
>> Dave
>> On 30 September 2015 at 13:48, Annie Abrahams
>> <bram.org at gmail.com> wrote:
>>       don't be small, don't think sectarism
>> Geert is closer to "us" than most "others"
>> get in contact with him, explain and connect, use his
>> critical energy
>> invite him to curate, to build, to discuss
>> xxx
>> Annie
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:40 PM, NIKOS V
>> <nikos.vv at gmail.com> wrote:
>>       I see the relevance in this approach,
>>       allthough  I have to say its allready to late
>>       for that criticism no?
>> Moreover, is he really interested in art?
>> If yes, as Marc says, where are the references and
>> the names ?
>> And why is Venice Biennial important?To whom????
>> 2015-09-30 15:36 GMT+03:00 marc.garrett
>> <marc.garrett at furtherfield.org>:
>>       Hi Paul,
>>       Geert needs to be more specific and
>>       highlight the curators who are 'not'
>>       scared and who have been showing
>>       technical artwork such as Furtherifeld &
>>       others - his words are not grounded and
>>       are too absolute, they do not reflect
>>       reality...
>>       marc
>> http://conversations.e-flux.com/t/geert-lovink-on-social-media-and-the-arts
>>             /2581
>> "The absence at the 2015 Venice Bienale
>> of digital arts and internet works says
>> it all. Curators are afraid to admit
>> they are clueless and continue their
>> ignorant attitude towards art that deals
>> with the digital in a direct matter
>> (while checking their smart phone).
>> Everyone jumps on the ?post-digital?
>> bandwagon because that?s cute and safe.
>> [...] Curators and critics are more than
>> happy to embrace the race, gender, even
>> the anthroposcene (whatever that is),
>> but are blind for the techno-politics of
>> the equipment and media they are using
>> themselves so intensely. The
>> contradictions are becoming absurd.
>> Video was the last technology they had
>> to deal with, but then it stopped."
>> ? Geert Lovink
>> //
>> enjoy,
>> -- Paul
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