[NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink

Wed Sep 30 18:17:17 CEST 2015

One more thing:

A lot of the “establishment” support of net art comes from real life individuals who do good things within those systems. Such as Steve Dietz, who in the late 1990s and early 2000s, supported a lot of work through the Walker Art Center. And then Christiane Paul at the Whitney with Artport, Peter Wiebel at ZKM, who organized the ground breaking net condition show in 1999, where in fact every work was shown on its own computer at the museum with the label on the mouse pad. What a wild 90s concept! Then there was Max Anderson at the Whitney who was a big proponent of net art where the Bitstreams show took place and the 1999 Whitney Biennial included an exhibition of net art. And David Ross was doing interesting work at SFMOMA around that same dotcom period as well. So it’s really about individuals who make things happen within large museum institutions. And maybe the era as well. Since the late 1990s, the art world has become increasingly object oriented and trending to the art market. 

From:  <netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org> on behalf of dave miller
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Date:  Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 9:03 AM
To:  NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Subject:  Re: [NetBehaviour] An interview with Geert Lovink

Answering my own question! This article talks about post internet art and how it's replaced net art...

http://www.artspace.com/magazine/interviews_features/trend_report/post_internet_art-52138

"While Net Art refers to art that uses the Internet as its medium and cannot be experienced any other way, post-Internet art makes the leap from the screen into brick-and-mortar galleries."

So the galleries/ establishment just ignored net art (anyway it's over and gone) but they embrace post internet art?

On 30 September 2015 at 13:56, dave miller <dave.miller.uk at gmail.com> wrote:
I think Geert is probably correct though - seems to me the art "establishment" aren't interested in internet/ digital art, though maybe they have a different view of it from us on here.  The art world remains a mystery to me, so I may well be wrong. Thank god for Furtherfield, and I would love to know who are the curators 'not' scared of it.

What's the ‘post-digital’ bandwagon?

Dave

On 30 September 2015 at 13:48, Annie Abrahams <bram.org at gmail.com> wrote:
don't be small, don't think sectarism
Geert is closer to "us" than most "others"
get in contact with him, explain and connect, use his critical energy

invite him to curate, to build, to discuss

xxx
Annie

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:40 PM, NIKOS V <nikos.vv at gmail.com> wrote:
I see the relevance in this approach, allthough  I have to say its allready to late for that criticism no?

Moreover, is he really interested in art? 

If yes, as Marc says, where are the references and the names ?

And why is Venice Biennial important?To whom????

2015-09-30 15:36 GMT+03:00 marc.garrett <marc.garrett at furtherfield.org>:

 Hi Paul,

 Geert needs to be more specific and highlight the curators who are 'not' scared and who have been showing technical artwork such as Furtherifeld & others - his words are not grounded and are too absolute, they do not reflect reality...

 marc

http://conversations.e-flux.com/t/geert-lovink-on-social-media-and-the-arts/2581 

"The absence at the 2015 Venice Bienale of digital arts and internet works says it all. Curators are afraid to admit they are clueless and continue their ignorant attitude towards art that deals with the digital in a direct matter (while checking their smart phone). Everyone jumps on the ‘post-digital’ bandwagon because that’s cute and safe. [...] Curators and critics are more than happy to embrace the race, gender, even the anthroposcene (whatever that is), but are blind for the techno-politics of the equipment and media they are using themselves so intensely. The contradictions are becoming absurd. Video was the last technology they had to deal with, but then it stopped."

— Geert Lovink

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enjoy, 

-- Paul

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