[NetBehaviour] What the hell with Snapchat?? Help!

BishopZ xchicago at gmail.com
Wed Aug 31 20:21:27 CEST 2016

The issues of privacy are different depending if you are talking about the
NSA, Facebook or Wikileaks. It is difficult to be pro-privacy in all three

In terms of Facebook or Snapchat privacy, as James pointed out, be careful
when simply reading the words.

On Android, there are more internal regulation of your privacy than you
could imagine. I hear the IOS has even more.

For instance, in the case of

    read the contents of your USB storage
    modify or delete the contents of your USB storage"

That sounds outrageous to me.
But this is how the conversation goes inside of the Android OS.

Alan: Hi Snapchat!
Snapchat: Hi, can I have permission to access your photos.
Alan: Sure.
Snapchat: Alan, you have created a photo, Do you want to save it?
Alan: Yes!
Snapchat: Android, Alan would like to save a photo he made in my app.
Android: I see that you have permission to do that, Where is the photo?
Snapchat: Here you go.
Android: Ok, I saved it.
Snapchat: Alan, what photo would you like to use.
Alan: The photo I want in is my Photos app.
Snapchat: Android, Alan would like to select a photo from Photos.
Android: I see that Alan has said you can do that.
Snapchat: Okay, here is Alan.
(Android then shows you the files in your Photos, not Snapchat.)
Alan: I want this one.
Android: Snapchat, here is the photo they selected.
Snapchat: thanks!

Internally this stuff is heavily sandboxed.

I know hackers can still get around it, but that is the NSA conversation
about privacy, not the Facebook conversation. I get a little tired of
people saying that all online social networks are as bad as the NSA.

To Alan's point about the loss of "thoughtfulness" in social media. I have
mentioned on this list many times. Love it or hate it, Pinterest is another
example of "thoughtfulness" in social media.

That said, nearly every company I have worked for has replaced email with
chat. You might be overestimating how thoughtful the average email user
really was. Chat is better for most people.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com> wrote:

> at least disorienting and different, and for everyone; the question is,
> what do we do about it? in the US, the potential hacking of the national
> election in November is frightening...
> alan
> On Tue, 30 Aug 2016, John Hopkins wrote:
> We are really witnessing a shifting of mediated communications. As we age,
>> protocols change and generations split along those differing protocol
>> lines. the fabric of the social system continues to fray... interiority is
>> being exhumed for profit... thoughtfulness subsumed by profiteering...
>> disorienting & sad...
>> email lists, which still seem on the wane, seem to be the only online
>>> forum for
>>> extended discussion and a kind of 'care' in reading that's almost
>>> impossible
>>> elsewhere. that's why empyre, for example, works so well. there's a kind
>>> of
>>> reading-voice and interiority that allows for thoughtfulness,
>>> listening...
>> --
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Dr. John Hopkins, BSc, MFA, PhD
>> grounded on a granite batholith
>> twitter: @neoscenes
>> http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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